Tom Dwan - the missing man
How convenient is it that he just falls off the face of the earth after issuing and bailing half way through a 50k hand
Dude you obviously can't read and process information properly, also you just make up stuff that has nothing to do with reality or what I posted, just to blow yourself up.
You are way too emotional and toxic.
I won't waste time to answer all your dubious comments. I can't take you seriously...
but I can hand you a tissue for your tears.
I’m completely calm.
Calmer than you are. Calmer than you are.
Lebowski aside, I’m not emotional at all about this ‘conversation’ on 2+2. I have empathy for Tom, and hope he gets help, but I’m not sure what you think you’re seeing in my posts.
I won’t deny that I’m toxic towards you, but as I said a week or two ago, I believe scrutinizing and ridiculing ppl who ‘think’ like you do as a responsibility, because you’re not unique, you’re not special…sadly you’ve become a trend.
Nevermind that you refuse to back up or defend any of your fantastic theories and speculations, because, maybe, we just aren’t ready for the ‘truth.’
I’d call your ramblings dubious (you used this word incorrectly btw), but that’s being too generous. You’re a fool.
But I could use that tissue for my tears of laughter. So thanks
I'll preface this by saying I know about 0/10 about Dwan's personal life. I just had some questions/comments. First of all, too many are conflating "unpaid bets" to equal "busto." Also, there's too much assumption of A) how much is owed and how many ppl are owed, B) Dwan MUST be a shitbag for not paying. We dont know anywhere near enough to say it's been that linear. Fwiw, I ha
You have a doctorate and over 10 years experience in the mental health field. You’re implying your PhD is in mental health, is that true?
If so, it’s odd that you started your post by bringing up his debts, which seem irrelevant to me.
As for evidence of some kind of psychological disorder, you could consider that he was involuntarily held in a mental institution for 2 weeks as evidence.
Or the fact that he was reaching out via Twitter directly to the VP and President of the US to intervene on his behalf, because of ‘treason.’
Or that he thought he had a broken arm and ribs that he didn’t.
You could believe Negreanu’s experiences with Dwan where he said that he could smooth things over with Putin. Or that he needed to take Negreanu’s phone before they talked.
Since you have experience with psychological disorders, are these not symptomatic?
He also just sounds totally different in almost every public interview over the past year or whatever (maybe longer, I’ve been around this problem before and saw issues when he gave his interview re: Peter Jensen dispute). But my opinion is based on personal experience.
What’s your, expert, opinion on what’s going on? Now that you’ve ruled out drugs (which I think you’re wrong about, btw, no sleep for days can cause breaks I think).
So what’s your PhD in, and what do you think Tom’s issue is?
You have a doctorate and over 10 years experience in the mental health field. You’re implying your PhD is in mental health, is that true? If so, it’s odd that you started your post by bringing up his debts, which seem irrelevant to me.As for evidence of some kind of psychological disorder, you could consider that he was involuntarily held in a mental institution for 2 weeks as
Yes, it's in psych/counseling.
Wow wow wow. When did I suggest he hadnt dealt with a psychological disorder?!?
There's been lots of talk here of Dwan having a "personality" disorder. I referenced this and asked if there's evidence or just pure speculation. Personality disorders = Antisocial, Borderline, Narcissist, etc.
Based on DN's comments and everything else that's widely known about the incident, it couldve been a manic episode. Those lead to arrest/involuntary comm, often.
Dude you obviously can't read and process information properly, also you just make up stuff that has nothing to do with reality or what I posted, just to blow yourself up.
You are way too emotional and toxic.
I won't waste time to answer all your dubious comments. I can't take you seriously...
but I can hand you a tissue for your tears.
Given his reply to me, I tend to agree that he struggles with reading and processing info lol.
Yes, it's in psych/counseling. Wow wow wow. When did I suggest he hadnt dealt with a psychological disorder?!? There's been lots of talk here of Dwan having a "personality" disorder. I referenced this and asked if there's evidence or just pure speculation. Personality disorders = Antisocial, Borderline, Narcissist, etc. Based on DN's comments and everything else that's widely k
Would you mind being specific about whether or not you have a PhD, and if so, what you’re a doctor of?
I haven’t followed this thread for a week or so, but I didnt remember people speculating on whether or not he had a personality disorder, the debate was whether he had a psychotic break or whether he was drugged by the deep state. So apologies if I missed something.
So yea, what are you a doctor of? Specifically? And why are his debts relevant?
Oh, and smart move joining forces with Magicpro, doc.
Sorry, I just find it odd for a doctor to begin his post by trying to establish the difference between ‘having debts’ and ‘being busto’, given the severity of the situation, which a doctor like you, must appreciate.
I’m completely calm.Calmer than you are. Calmer than you are.Lebowski aside, I’m not emotional at all about this ‘conversation’ on 2+2. I have empathy for Tom, and hope he gets help, but I’m not sure what you think you’re seeing in my posts. I won’t deny that I’m toxic towards you, but as I said a week or two ago, I believe scr
Look dude you can not ridicule someone when you face someone that knows that you can't deliver structured arguments properly and rely on desinformation tactics / Eristische Dialektik.
(Read~Schopenhauer)
and that is able to demolish that.
You are a hothead in discussions, like many here.
What usually happens is this:
You read something that you don't like or that scratches you emotioally, so it triggers your urge to take responsiblity (your words), and try to seemingly redicule someone.
Which is in itself already psychologically questionable, because it shows that you have blind spots in your identity that you should work on. You said the sentence that
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The blind spot work here is: Why don't you like people that are seemingly special, why do you feel that way? What does this say really about YOU?
This is by the way a sophisticated method to detect the reasons for TILT in poker.
By saying this you admitted that you have a weak spot that you really need to work on if you don't want to be stuck on a verbal level of the mob.
In your case and many others here unfortunately it gets worse, because of the way you discuss and structure your replies.
So now that you are triggered by certain words like CIA or whatever.
You start making assumptions on:
A) The conversational partner
B) The subject
and you reply to what was said by
A) Attacking the opponent ad hominem directly based on your false assumptions.
B) Attacking the argument by refering to false assumptions that you use as a premisis, and totally ignoring the facts, or the initial content.
Which means you are fully emotionally driven.
Just the reason for responding alone excluded you from being objective.
It has nothing to do with an intellectual disput anymore.
You then sometimes mix what was said and also add stuff that has nothing to do with the subject at all.
This might work with dumb people, or in an online forum where information gets overlooked because so many people answer and also distract and jump on the desinformation train for troll reasons, but it will not work with me.
So to wrap it up:
If anything has happened here, it's that I've put you and others on the spot for treating Tom Dwan in a sometimes rash, disgusting and unfair manner.
It's shameful to see some of you getting off on how a fellow poker player is going through a tough time.
Chat GPT is getting better and better.
How much does Dwan owe and to who? Wasn't Jungleman part of a scam as well with someone? I am out of touch with the gossip but I do remember Jungleman doing something bad. Is tom dwan ok?
Just when it comes to Pot Limit Omaha but I don’t think he believes he can finally end the Korean War.
But he does have solid PLO results…
It would be funny if Tom showed up at the Korean border figuring stuff out
And telling everyone what they should do
A big problem however would be that nobody would listen
Is Tom ok or no? I haven't heard anything about his recent stint in a hospital. Quit the bull **** in this thread I want facts. lock the thread if it aint serious
Kev, Tom is out of the mental hospital and back in the USA. I think his tweets so far are not so bad.
So did Tom party and have a little too much and had a bad trip? I don't understand the context here. Is Tom doing ok Mentallly or no? Is he able process things as of now. I am just asking this because we are all confused on this and concerned for Dwans mental health. I don't like to hear/see that Tom isn't well mentality. Dwan is very important for the commnity and if Dwan can't hang I have to ask myself can I win in poker if it is this hard for one our icons? I am not really relevant as far as status in poker but man I just Tom is ok because I am concerned about his mental well being and if his habits or Life style or stress has comprised his genius mind?
In my eyes Daniel Negreanu really hurt himself here.
I wouldn't feel comfortable talking to him in privacy because you always need to be worried about him talking behind your back or making stuff public that should be kept private.
Even though he doesn't intentionally want to hurt you, he really makes things worse with his seemingly harmless public conversations.
Privacy is something very few people understand.
That is why they get a legal person.
...only few people will know what I mean by that. Whatever
@Kev
No one really knows. We don't have full insight. All we have is some tweets, some gossip, and the hospital incident.
So lets hope he is fine, and does the right law steps regarding the hospital, and has people that can support him and advice him properly in case he really is in dept and still struggles with the recent incident.
We need Dwan to be healthy and coherent. There have too many scandals and bs I want Tom back and safe the commnity needs Tom. Poke is losing a foundation and regular people are not going to embarce or respect the game when one of the best players in the game isn't doing well. We need some statements from others so we can confirm on how Tom is doing.
How are you doing kevmode?
People who know people who became mentally ill know that it's rarely if ever a singularity.
Sure there might be people who snapped and did something really stupid like kill someone and from then on they need to convince the world that they were insane at the time.
But in most cases mental illness is a gradual winding descent with ups & downs including slow decay of established relationships ( career, education, peer group, friends, and finally family ) until all that is left is drug pushers, law enforcement, legal, & medical professionals and possible institutionalization.
Some on here want to read the riot act to others who speculate on what's going on.
But truth is we all log-in here to read exactly that : rumors & speculation. If it's news we can read it on a commercial news site.
I think the combination of his extreme indebtedness ( Doug Polk says $30M ) and his expectation that his genius would enable him to eventually right the ship slowly inexorably damaged his mental health.
This spiral may well have been exacerbated by drug use probably Adderall or other stimulants to enable extremely long hours of focus at the tables which he always believed would be his salvation.
Also the rumors of heading to Asia working off a big debt to The Triad may be true and that level of stress ultimately because intolerable to his psyche which then retreated into madness rather than face the continuing towering challenge of re-attaining his financial freedom.
Throughout history there have been many geniuses who chose madness rather than continue to deal with this perverse twisted conflicted corrupt state of reality.
Psychologically Tom ended up in an impossible place where variance shifted from his friend to his enemy and the only real option was to walk away from poker and assume another identity ( I mean rationally & purposefully, not schizophrenia ).
But instead Tom continued to battle on as his peer group and the media had set him up to believe was possible.
One last thing : I don't believe for a NYC second that the poker community really gives a crap about anyone's mental health. Poker is for people who are at full strength, in full control of their lives & faculties, and who have a strong support system outside poker. That's the only way you can survive the fake camaraderie of a set of people actively deploying the full powers of their intellect to outsmart, deceive, and take your money.
One last thing : I don't believe for a NYC second that the poker community really gives a crap about anyone's mental health. Poker is for people who are at full strength, in full control of their lives & faculties, and who have a strong support system outside poker. That's the only way you can survive the fake camaraderie of a set of people actively deploying the full powers
Disagree about that, a lot of people seemed to try and help him. The only one I saw that posted something insulting was jmo that called him a idiot. The pokernews who said he seems to be fine etc was probably trying to be nice. He tweeted just a few hours before he visit him that he had broken ribs and something else. He still represented the scam full tilt and f'ed over a lot of people for a lot of money during the durrr challenge. Seems like he also owe a lot of money to a lot of people. I'm more often surprised how nice a lot of people are to people like him. If you go back 100 years he would prob have his legs broken for what he have done or be dumped in the ocean. He might not be a bad guy on purpose but he still made a bet where he freerolled people for millions worth of ev
People who know people who became mentally ill know that it's rarely if ever a singularity.Sure there might be people who snapped and did something really stupid like kill someone and from then on they need to convince the world that they were insane at the time.But in most cases mental illness is a gradual winding descent with ups & downs including slow decay of established re
Me for example I didn't come to the forum to listen to the gossip or to join in.
I saw the title
In a split second, I thought of Johannes Strassmann, who went missing in 2014 and was found dead after being under drug influence.
You are not right if you say that there are no people in the poker community who are worried and care.
Tom is a poker icon. I grew up playing poker at the same time as him and was successfull, but not like him.
Tom, Viktor, Patrik, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, they are the Ful Tilt legends. Everyone should wish them the best as they pull us forward in our quest to become better.
As far as Tom's health is concerned, it is still not clear what exactly happened. All we have are tweets, rumors and a hospital stay, that's it.
The hospital stay was also limited to the minimum of 2 weeks. If Tom was so, insanly mentally ill as some irresponsibly give the impression here, why is he out after the minimum stay?
Many people just write without even spending a second to use their brain for alternative narratives.
All they care is their toxic *****.
The fact that he posted that he had injuries that are not yet there in reality is of course a clear indicator of psychosis. But there is also the possibility that he wrote it to support his attempt to get outside help.
I don't think that's likely, but it's a possibility if you're admitted to hospital under duress. This is an extreme situation for the psyche. Compulsive restriction of freedom is something that most people can only understand once it has happened to them. That includes police imprisoning, kidnapping, abuse etc Some people are traumatized by it for a while. And it can break you.l, if you're not that strong.
People should not talk about his mental state, as they have really no clue what is really happening.
Instead just wish him the best bro.
The dept thing could he true, could also be exaggerated. Could be payed already.
I mean 30M is not that much if you play NL 1M.
30 stacks is nothing in a game full of potential fish. People go on 15+ buyin runs all the time. At least I do.
The pressure would be high though I agree, and usually things don't work well under pressure.
I will always remember Dwan as the guy who played an IM in chess (IM was down a Rook) for $50,000.
#LEGEND
I will always remember Dwan as the guy who played an IM in chess (IM was down a Rook) for $50,000.
#LEGEND
You can't beat any chess player that is halfway decent being down a rook that is crazy. I use to play chess, Dwan must not understand the game of chess. Is Tom Dwan a narcissistic? You would have to be completely delusional to beat any solid chess player down a rook that is laughable.
You can't beat any chess player that is halfway decent being down a rook that is crazy. I use to play chess, Dwan must not understand the game of chess. Is Tom Dwan a narcissistic? You would have to be completely delusional to beat any solid chess player down a rook that is laughable.
Hikaru got his rating over 2400 while sacrificing his queen every game.
I think we should do less hypothesizing about Dwan and more appreciating. #LEGEND
So to wrap it up:
If anything has happened here, it's that I've put you and others on the spot for treating Tom Dwan in a sometimes rash, disgusting and unfair manner.
It's shameful to see some of you getting off on how a fellow poker player is going through a tough time.
I’ll just address this last bit of your disjointed stream of consciousness because I haven’t seen anyone on here hope for anything other than the well-being of Tom.
Acknowledging that he’s shown signs of the deterioration of his faculties isn’t ’getting off’ on his situation.
In fact, if he’s reading this (hopefully he isn’t, for his own sake), then it’s obviously more detrimental for him to read posts from guys like you who give credence to his delusions.
