2-5 single raised pot.
Hero: AdQd in bb effective stack 550.
9 players.
Utg: calls 5
Folds to move
Mp: calls 5
Button: calls 5
Sb: folds
Hero: raises
[QUOTE=DashOfSalt;58990844]he just overbet shoved on the river.
Why the **** did you call? You think he's doing this with a bluff or worse Ax for value after calling a xr on the flop?
Even if I don't agree with the xr and x turn line, it doesn't matter. This is a low stakes fish or reg at best, right? Are they capable of an overbet bluff after this action?
You know the answer.[/QUOTE
I know the answer because I called. That said there are multiple people in this thread that were in the fence about it. I know against this player if I continue to play with him that I will be more aware of what to look out for and if I see the same things from this player I will be folding.
I know the answer because I called. That said there are multiple people in this thread that were in the fence about it. I know against this player if I continue to play with him that I will be more aware of what to look out for and if I see the same things from this player I will be folding.
Well, I was being facetious and didn't mean to come across as aggressive. But really, without any reads is your player pool capable of bluffing this line? That's way out of the norm in my experience, and I just think folding was the default option. But maybe your player pool is wildly different than the ones I've played in.
I don’t really see how the check raise was bad. If I c bet, he is probably going to just call, the check raise allowed me to get more money in the pot while I was ahead.
Okay more full thought process - the reason I don't like the check raise as much on the fop is because it allows him to play his hand perfectly since you've played your hand straight up. Yes you encouraged him to put in a bit more $ with the worst hand, but on later streets he's now thinking...okay I need to improve to continue here, and if I do I can likely extract more value vs his high Ace. And sometimes people can do that very very well without being very good at all. Or, they may just fold here because they don't want to gamble and then you've lost some value. I think there's several ways to play this hand in this spot. I"m almost always raising $35 - $40 preflop here, then c-betting like 95% of the time. Then, from there it'll vary (which is why I find analyzing hands here hard since so much information I use in decision making isn't available). I may continue with a turn bet or check depending on the player and feeling. I'm always watching my opponents reaction when a card comes out, and am able to assess strength exceptionally well through body language with how chips are placed in and timing and things, but that's a bit complicated to try and explain here. If I choose to continue turn, I'm probably betting river mostly but al,so I don't think just checking river is bad either...it's just I don't like to incentivize any weird bluff lines & think there's a decent chance to get called with worse ..but again that depends on the player. If I do decide to bet river I'm not slam dunking excited about it lol don't get me wrong. If I check turn I may go for a check raise on turn there sometimes as well.
If the guy comes along for $35 preflop with that hand...I'm very very likely losing a certain amount of money in that spot (and then making a mental note in the future to pump up sizing a unit)...but he may have folded pre too that's why sizing correctly is extremely important and sets up everything post flop. I think the biggest mistake here was preflop sizing. The check raise on flop I'm not a huge fan of, but I don't think it was terrible terrible. The reason I think it's not great is because it can get us to get our entire stack in at the river without allowing him to make many mistakes...so I'm saving myself a bad river jam here without the check raise.
What everyone is telling you about preflop sizing is correct.
The size of your c/r on the flop makes it very easy for your opponent to play optimally.
The 7 on the turn was not an intrinsically bad card for you. To the contrary, it was an good card for you. The cards you least wanted to see were probably 8s, 9s, Ts, and Js. In fact, the cards that I would have been most eager to see on the turn would have been Qs, As, and 7s/3s, in that order. The turn card may have screwed you in this particular hand, but that's irrelevant.
