Too aggressive with bottom set in a bomb pot?

I don't play such bomb pots, so take my words with grain of salt.

The only problem with your hand is that you only get 1 board max with no redraw. And it's not super nutted and is a wet dynamic board.
I rather have something like 9Jss, JTss, 9Tss, AJss, A9ss, AQ, QQ, AA, 99, QT, in such spots.

At first glance your hand seems to be played fine but at second glance, there will be times you will be outdrawn on top board, and when you have close to 0 equity on bottom board, piling in money on flop seems -ev. So say let's you get headsup vs any 1 player on flop/turn/river. Once all the money goes in the middle, bottom board is awarded to your opponent, if villain has any equity on top board, you have odds of losing both boards. At best you're chopping the pot with villain.

Of course, you can argue there's fold equity and such.

Let's do some math problem, flop you betted 20, villain check/raises to 100, you need to call 80 in there to chop the pot, from the math it looks like it's putting 80 in there and you get 125 back if pot is chop chop(that's like 45 profit if it's chop chop). But then there are also 2 more streets to put in more money to chop up the pot even more. So, you're risking really risking your whole stack 380 to chop whatever the pot is(reverse implied odds???). Also the best dreamlike scenario is chop chop or villain check/folds to your turn shove.
Another worst nightmare is you call the flop check/raise, turn brings a flush, can you really call a potsize shove???? So you called 80 on the flop thinking you were going to chop the pot. But then a flush turn already put you in difficult spot.

Ok, maybe I word it in a confusing manner, but the thing is, we don't have board 1 locked down, we're doomed for board 2, so calling the flop check/raise seems "bad". Maybe the bet itself wasn't that good as well.

I mean.. it’s so hard for him to scoop me.. but he could have Q8 on my board and I’m scooping with 2s.. I can’t imagine laying down a set but it might be correct in bomb pots

6-handed, even with a set, I think we can x-evaluate in 4th position. (Edit, I'm still trying to figure out what I think about this format. So this post might be self-contradictory in parts.)

Or pile over the x-raise: the maxim about wanting a hand with big equity on both boards, cuts both ways. Many Vs will/should fold to a big bet, and thereby forfeit their significant equity on the other board. Top pair on Q82ss, plus 3rd pair on AJ9 looks good 6-ways, but facing something like AJss/A2ss, can make that pair of queens seem really vulnerable. And what if H has AA?

I like the rip on Turn, and hate V's call. The boards are so unconnected, it's hard to scoop, but it's not impossible. Facing a shove with just top pair on a paired board, and 3rd pair on AJ97cc would definitely put me in the blender. Visions of AA/KK/T8, would definitely arise.

Does the double board bomb pot format reward extreme aggression, more than the usual format of NLHE?

Yeah most villains will fall in love with their hands if they have a piece of both boards, no matter how relatively weak it may be when you’re factoring in several other unknown hands, like he did here.

I don’t think he was folding to a flop shove either.

Yeah this is an overplay, we are definitely dead on one board and there are quite a few combos that have us dead on the other. Plus the board we have a set on is pretty wet and dynamic, or hand is quite vulnerable even if we are ahead right now. Flop should be a pure check and likely check call with this hand class. In these dbl board spots there are two scenarios where we get to play our hands fast/aggressive:

1. We have one board totally on lockdown

2. We have a medium strength hand/draw on both boards

If niether of these two things are happening we just need to play much more cautiously. We go into check call mode and prepare to fold if there are multiple players putting in aggression. On this exact texture you’d rather bet QT Jxss Axss or obv like AA QQ AQ JJ for the thick value.

Seems kinda weird to give free cards to let people outdraw vs our set though, no? The idea is to pump some money in while we still have the best hand on one board.

Not exactly in a split pot game because in this case we are extremely likely to chop or lose the entire pot if it gets to showdown . Protection doesn’t have as much of an impact on the EV of our decisions. Protection is a lot more important when we have a piece of both boards otherwise our equity is garbage when we get called in multiple spots. It’s not like betting this size on the flop will fold out any of the hands that have decent equity (FD are not folding for $20). In these dbl board pots one of the worst possible scenarios is getting free-rolled. We have one out to improve on the bottom (or we are already dead to higher set) and very vulnerable on the top against drawing hands. If we get a safe turn and it checks through to us again then the equity has shifted and we can start putting money into the pot as the aggressor. Basically, try to avoid getting free rolled and play cautiously unless you have a special combo. Hope that helps, GL.

I dont know what the boards are or why Q9o scoops

A Queen came on the river on board 1, board 2 we are never winning in a million years unless the other 2 came off.

Seems bad to play strongly with nothing on one board.

The problem with NLHE DB is that it's very difficult to scoop, so you get split pots a lot. This means you tend to want to either get everyone to fold, or bring a bunch of people along to chop their money.

Don't really like how either player played this.

Your flop bet seems big given you have 1 out on board 2. Then shoving turn when you are in bad shape vs. a bunch of hands, and V probably isn't folding after the flop raise.
I understand the flop call, although it's difficult to bring BTN along. But I'd prefer shoving flop than this turn.
If we see a river we have to sigh call a lot, but to be fair not this particular one. If he checks a brick river though we can maybe get him to fold.

V raising the flop with Q9 seems pretty bad, given he just has bottom pair on one board and is roughly flipping with you who has nothing on one board. Also don't like his turn call, to be fair. Hand isn't strong enough to x/c, would prefer a shove if V doesn't want to fold ... although it's more difficult to find hands that V is crushed against it's still going to be better to get hands like J high spades to fold than to bluff.

I've seen with the Dbbp's, holding a set (other than a premium pair JJ+ which can sometimes win unimproved on the other board) is usually overrated, without any sort of draw on the other board.

Still, the way this hand played out makes sense, as on the turn there is a big pot and we can credibly have a bunch of combos that crush villain's exact holding. He made an optimistic call

Of course if he has AQ, T8, etc himself we are not getting the money in good. But as it is, villain overplayed a marginal holding in the case where you had one of the few hands he doesn't mind battling against.

Basically tho: don't get too excited with a bare small set. Try to keep the pot small.

Grunch:

So...I recently started playing in a home game with PLO DBBP. Not sure if the advice from PLO carries over here, but...bottom set in PLO is apparently a trash hand. I assume it's worse than trash if it's all we have on one board, and we have nothing on the other.

Here, since it's NLH rather than PLO...yeah, maybe not as bad, but this still looks like an over-play.

On the turn, you're way behind four combos of QQ/88, and aren't doing great against six combos of Q8 that can still improve to a straight or just a better pair on the bottom board. You're also in danger vs J9ss (1 out to SF on top and 2P on bottom, where you have 1 out to scoop, so maybe that's a push), and barely ahead of all the QT / T8 combos that can make a straight or better pair on bottom and a better boat on top. You're also at risk from nine combos of AA, JJ and 99 that have the bottom board locked up and have 1 out to make a better boat up top.

Doing maths...I think youi're drawing dead to 1 out to a chop vs 4 combos, and at risk of getting scooped by another 36. Probably just hoping to chop more often than not. Why jam?

While V was wildly over-playing Q9 by check-raising flop and calling the turn jam, we didn't know that. His flop x/r range could (and really should) just have us crushed when he takes this line.

Ya I’m snap folding bottom sets in PLO bomb pots obv lol

I'm still very new to single board PLO, and only played maybe a dozen double-board PLO hands, so I'm definitely not an expert.

That said, as I was typing my post above, I wasn't sure how bad OP's play here was. On the surface, it wouldn't seem bad, but then I started to see all the hands he loses to. Then again, a lot of the ones that have him at risk are only scooping with one out, or his hand has one out to scoop theirs, or whatever.

I think in PLO DBBP's his turn jam would be terrible. Here, it's understandable. But still, probably an overplay, I think, maybe.

With multiple callers yes this is likely +ev. With one caller it is -ev if their chance to beat us on our board is better than our chance to beat them on their board. We have 1 out; easy for them to have more.

Any hand with an 8 in it has 5 outs on the bottom board, if it's behind, and any hand with just an 8 has at least 8 outs on the top. I find it very unlikely that V is behind on both boards (like K8, 86, 85, 84, and 83 are the only 8s ... and how is V ever raising any of those on the flop).

Even if V has AA/JJ he has 3x as many outs because a river 8 is also good.

What we need is AsJs/As9s/Js9s where V is drawing dead on the top but we have 1 out, and while there are a few of those there aren't enough unless he's stacking off super light (and note that Q9 is super light, but also way in front of our hand).

As I said, I'd much rather shove flop than these turns.