3 bet pot with AQ, is this a good runout for me?
$2/3/5/10 8-handed NL
Mandatory $10 straddle UTG
Effective stacks $1200
Reads: Villain is 30's Indian male that I don't recognize. From the table talk, apparently he is a co-founder of a small tech startup. He's hardly been saying anything, but playing alot of hands. Limping and overlimping alot. Very loose, and pretty sticky with his hands. He has a $3000 stack. H's table image is very tight, has been fairly card dead, and the few hands he has shown have been premium starting hands.
3 players limp.
V in HJ makes it $40.
Folds to H in SB who makes it $200 with AdQc.
Folds to V who calls.
($440) Ac 4s 4d
H checks.
V checks.
Turn 5c
H $150.
V calls.
($750) River 3d
H???
20 Replies
Shove?
Get all value from random Ax, some pp might look you up light.
V range has marginal hands. Some Ax, some flush draws, some pp.
By shoving river, you're repping AA or air.
I probably bet flop if v is loose and sticky like you said. If he's aggro I'll check turn to him, either check/call or check/raise.
Is it standard to check flop and bet smallish on the turn? On the flop, you are mostly only behind AA and AK, both of which might 4!.
I think you’re supposed to range bet for 150. Even if that’s wrong, that’s what AQ wants to do anyways.
As played I’d bet small on river. 250.
Jam river to get called by worse AX. If he has AK or Awheel, so be it
Yeah I'm not sure what H is trying to accomplish here. This is a weak line against a passive, loose and sticky V. I'm just trying to take him to value town when he has a worse Ax, not trap when he gets out of line because he hasn't shown those tendencies. If I fold his air, great. I make 240 and move on to the next hand.
Preflop is standard.
Flop: Just c-bet. Board is dry but we're generally just trying to extract max value from a worse Ax or an unbelieving mid-pair on this flop texture.
AP Turn: I'd go bigger with bdfd turning. Probably 1/2 psb. If V has A5/A4, he's going to stack us here anyway.
AP river: He has a few wheels, A4s/A5s against many more combos of weaker Ax and chops too. So we're probably good. I'm making a value bet targeting a worse Ax and trying to fold his chops. Probably 350-400.
I don't think V can jam here because he cannot be sure of having the nuts.
Flop: I default to checking OOP, but this is a specific flop where I think it's a mistake. Yes, it's dry but the V has a huge amount of inelastic hands here.
He is NEVER folding Ax to a cbet. He's unlikely to have a 4, so don't have to worry about getting trapped. He's probably never folding a PP higher than 4s. So just bet, wanting to GII on the turn. He has 8 combos of AK that are beating us, and a million other hands that we're beating that will call a bet. And then a bunch of air which we aren't getting any money from anyway.
I'd bet $200+ looking to set up a SPR of less than 1 on the turn. What's he going to fold for a 1/2 PSB on this flop? You're missing so much value by checking here.
Turn, as played:
Bet bigger. You lost out on value by checking the flop and you need to make it up here. What hands are calling $150 that isn't calling a bigger bet?
River, as played:
We're losing to so few hands. Just jam, he's going to call with any Ax.
River action:
Spoiler
H bets $100. V tanks for 5-8 seconds and jams. H?
Ouch. I agree that H should have bet flop. Turn is fine. River is such a small bet that it might have induced, especially after checking the flop. Has V done this before? Is he aggressive when he thinks someone is weak? Is he showing up with the goods more often than not? I'd like more info on V, but I don't think I can fold w/o a specific read.
Guess I might have gone broke in this hand with my line lol
Do we know the V is capable of bluff xr here? Or is it possible they are overvaluing a worse Ace? I don't know the default tendencies of a 2/3/5/10 game lol. If it plays like 5/10, I'd assume regs are capable of recognizing weakness and you'd have to call.
Bet $111 on the flop, and when the dealer says white chips don't play, get grumpy and tell them to just keep it.
Then stack the donk and donate the proceeds to whatever vulnerable populations were most affected by the guy's startup.
I prefer betting small on all 3 streets, but turn check/big river bet to rep whiffed BWs works too.
This is how you win at the game of poker AND the game of life.
I don't see the point of doing anything but folding AQo from the SB when a sticky, loose-passive player decides to raise 3 limpers.
I might flat call preflop and play it multiway. It's not great, but maybe better than 3-betting or folding.
You block bet the river. I don't understand not putting any money in. Probably, call as played. He could be doing this for value with worse.
Results:
I think my check on the flop was a mistake. Also not sure my river bet was the right sizing. I was targetting a medium pocket pair, but my thinking was too narrow.
As I tanked, I could not get a read on the villain. I decided that for a pot sized bet, I should call.
Spoiler
V shows 7d6d
I think you could have played it better for sure with a flop bet and shove turn. But it sounds like your misplay didn't make a difference if the V is sticky enough to call a paired board with OESD which sounds likely.
Personally, I would fold river to that xr at my games but that's due to knowing the overall player pool is extremely underbluffed here and I don't beat anything doing that for value. Otherwise it depends on your reads.
I don't see the point of doing anything but folding AQo from the SB when a sticky, loose-passive player decides to raise 3 limpers.
I didn't see anything in OP saying he's passive (as a raw measure of frequency, obviously his AF is going to be low due to the high number of limps, etc), and my pop read on described player in a 2/3/5/10 game is NOT passive.
If you are going to 3! AQ, you need to bet it on a dry ace high board. I would bet the flop and bet so as to gii on the river. If he didn't raise, you wouldn't have built much of a pot. I guess you were worried about AK? You let him draw cheaply.
Actually, as played could be a fold, as many players won't shove as a bluff or thin value bet.
Grunch:
PRE - Against opponents described like V, my pre-flop 3B'ing range is going to be tigther, especially when OOP, because A) they don't like to fold pre, B) they limp too much, which makes their opening range stronger, C) they don't 4B anywhere near enough, making it possible for them to show up post-flop with some slow-played monsters, and D) they're happy to slow play and trap post, especially when IP, and we're blasting off.
So, I'd probably just flat pre, not raise.
FLOP - Checking from OOP when HU as the PFR is my standard default setting. I might occasionally c-bet here, if I thought V *might* have worse AX that would call. But I think he's going to have AK a lot when we bet and he calls, and a lot of KK and worse when we bet and he just folds.
That said, sometimes these guys won't fold KK and QQ to a single bet on the flop, so I could get on board with a small c-bet, turn check, and then a modest sized river bet if the turn checks through.
TURN - the 5c is mostly just a brick. Think I'd either check again to induce him to bet with worse, or bet even smaller, like $100, just praying he thinks we're FOS and wants to hero us down with KK / QQ.
RIVER - I probably just check. My reasoning is that he might bet worse AX for a small size, and we can raise for value. If he bets big, he's almost never bluffing, and we can safely fold. If we bet for value, we'll mostly just be value-owning ourselves against AK, and occasionally against AA, or the comically dirty A2, A4, A5 or better that absolutely smashed the flop.
Just read the rest of the comments.
Demographic stereotypes persist because as a general rule, pattern recognition and reacting by making reasonable adjustments tends to work out better than just blindly assuming the entire player pool is monolithic in its tendencies.
Mid-30 yo males from India who limp a lot in low stakes games are not going to be playing back at us often enough with hands worse than AQo, and are all too happy to let us have the betting lead, almost regardless of what they're holding, be it a monster or something a bit more speculative.
If V had a hand dominated by AQo, he's folding a lot pre, and folding some more on the turn. These types of V's do not make very many speculative calls when we go 5X with our 3B's pre, or hero call, much less hero bluff with their non-nutted hands post.
They don't 4B pre because they're afraid we'll just jam with better or find a hero fold with worse (they're not wrong). They don't raise post for the same reason. The only way to get them to bet or raise for value, or to bluff, is to check to them or bet super small, and let greed take over.
Results:
I think my check on the flop was a mistake. Also not sure my river bet was the right sizing. I was targetting a medium pocket pair, but my thinking was too narrow.
As I tanked, I could not get a read on the villain. I decided that for a pot sized bet, I should call.
Spoiler
V shows 7d6d
my god what a gross hand