Just Top Pair v. LAG Fish Reg in Live 2-5
UTG [Hero] straddles for 10 (1k stack)
MP folds
HJ [Villain] calls 10 (800 stack)
CO folds
BTN folds
SB fish calls 10 (1k stack)
BB fish calls 10 (1k stack)
Hero raises to 90 with A9dd
Villain calls 90
SB folds
BB folds
Villain is a LAG fish reg. He’s been limp-raising a lot. His hand might not be strong enough to do it this hand (e.g. not AK, AQ, mid- to high-pairs).
I haven’t played with him long. It doesn’t look like he gives up on hands easily. He’s also covered in face tattoos and seems like kind of an angry person.
Pot 191 after rake
Flop As 6c 5h
Hero bets 60
Villain raises to 125
Hero calls 125
Pot 441
Turn 6h
Hero checks
Villain bets 145
Hero calls 145
Pot 731
River 3s
Hero checks
Villain bets 275
I figure— Hands that beat me are 65dd, 66, and 55 (five combos total). Otherwise it’s a random spaz. But I don’t know if I have enough reads on him to bank on a random spaz.
Hero?
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Snap call?
I think it's easier to fold flop than river.
Flop raise either nutted/spew/st8d like 78/34
His range hasn't really changed.
Why fold river when you could've folded the flop?
You say he's lag fish reg. You obviously played with him before right? What does his flop raise mean? 2p+? random Ax? st8d? spew?
The lag fish I play with raises are nutted or huge draws. Even slowplays sometimes when hit. Even though he opens light, his range isn't super light postflop when money gets in the middle.
I bet small on the flop. His min-raise on the flop and small bet on the turn could be random Ax. But not on the river.
1/3, 1/3 Turn & River look awfully milky, agreed. Is V betting because they don't know what else to do? 80 bigs, but we only have top pair here. Why 90, btw?
Honestly expecting to see 65s here. I have better hands to call down with. If you called and won, go you. The board pairing would make my Aces feel better, given pre.
UTG [Hero] straddles for 10 (1k stack)MP foldsHJ [Villain] calls 10 (800 stack)CO foldsBTN foldsSB fish calls 10 (1k stack)BB fish calls 10 (1k stack)Hero raises to 90 with A9ddVillain calls 90SB foldsBB foldsVillain is a LAG fish reg. He’s been limp-raising a lot. His hand might not be strong enough to do it this hand (e.g. not AK, AQ, mid- to high-pairs).I haven’t played with
I would check the flop with this combo. Your opponents cbet and turn dbl sizing will be like truth serum, they will make significantly more mistakes vs a check rather than a cbet. I would consider checking entire range on flop, that would be my default strategy here and I would only deviate if my opponent was extremely passive. As played we are in a pickle. I don’t see players bluff raising the flop too often for a minraise on a rainbow static board. I probably fold the turn when he continues betting after the board pairs.
UTG [Hero] straddles for 10 (1k stack)MP foldsHJ [Villain] calls 10 (800 stack)CO foldsBTN foldsSB fish calls 10 (1k stack)BB fish calls 10 (1k stack)Hero raises to 90 with A9ddVillain calls 90SB foldsBB foldsVillain is a LAG fish reg. He’s been limp-raising a lot. His hand might not be strong enough to do it this hand (e.g. not AK, AQ, mid- to high-pairs).I haven’t played with
Other hands that beat you are AJ, AT, A6.
1/3, 1/3 Turn & River look awfully milky, agreed. Is V betting because they don't know what else to do? 80 bigs, but we only have top pair here. Why 90, btw?
Honestly expecting to see 65s here. I have better hands to call down with. If you called and won, go you. The board pairing would make my Aces feel better, given pre.
My standard pre-flop raise size from the blinds after a bunch of limpers is 2x pot for a few reasons:
1. I don’t like playing OOP
2. I don’t like paying rake
3. I really don’t like paying promo dollars for bad beat jackpots and high hands
I would check the flop with this combo. Your opponents cbet and turn dbl sizing will be like truth serum, they will make significantly more mistakes vs a check rather than a cbet. I would consider checking entire range on flop, that would be my default strategy here and I would only deviate if my opponent was extremely passive. As played we are in a pickle. I don’t see players
Versus someone who habitually bets when checked to, I like checking flop—make him think he’s trying to run me off a big pair. But I don’t know if he does that.
My standard line as the pre-flop raiser is to small bet (one-third pot or less) most A-high boards OOP with my entire range. Do people not do this anymore?
I do like small c-betting the flop with AK, AQ, big pairs, and other hands that miss the flop.
But with my BIG pre-flop raise, I do like check-calling with AJ and weaker Ax now that I think about it.
Versus someone who habitually bets when checked to, I like checking flop—make him think he’s trying to run me off a big pair. But I don’t know if he does that.
My standard line as the pre-flop raiser is to small bet (one-third pot or less) most A-high boards OOP with my entire range. Do people not do this anymore?
People certainly still do this, but I teach my students a different strat. In live poker I don’t think range betting ace high boards OOP as the pfr is optimal. I think live players make a ton more mistakes with their probe sizings when checked to vs the mistakes they would make calling or raising vs cbets. They telegraph their hand stength with sizing, bet too often with marginal hands, and most importantly they hardly ever protect their check back range. The last one gives us carte blanche to bluff every time they check back a wet/dynamic texture.
Versus someone who habitually bets when checked to, I like checking flop—make him think he’s trying to run me off a big pair. But I don’t know if he does that.
My standard line as the pre-flop raiser is to small bet (one-third pot or less) most A-high boards OOP with my entire range. Do people not do this anymore?
Is he really a LAG fish if he isn't betting an A-high board after you check to him?
I will generally check my entire range OOP these days. Then I can evaluate based on if they check, or how much they bet.
I do bet my entire range small in position when checked to still.
If y’all like checking your whole range OOP, what do you do with KK? Check, then guess if he bets? Maybe call flop, then check and guess if he bets again on the turn?
I used to do that 15 years ago, and I remember getting yelled at in the HSNL forums (by Vanessa Selbst…😉. So I started c-betting small with my whole range unless I’m sure he’ll habitually bet-bet-bet when checked to.
If y’all like checking your whole range OOP, what do you do with KK? Check, then guess if he bets? Maybe call flop, then check and guess if he bets again on the turn?I used to do that 15 years ago, and I remember getting yelled at in the HSNL forums (by Vanessa Selbst…😉. So I started c-betting small with my whole range unless I’m sure he’ll habitually be
KK has been downgraded with an Ace on the flop. So I'm not 'guessing', I'm playing it as the 2nd pair it is.
If we're talking about a non-A high flop, it depends. But probably XR for value against a small bet, XC a big bet. And then going from there.
If y’all like checking your whole range OOP, what do you do with KK? Check, then guess if he bets? Maybe call flop, then check and guess if he bets again on the turn?I used to do that 15 years ago, and I remember getting yelled at in the HSNL forums (by Vanessa Selbst…). So I started c-betting small with my whole range unless I’m sure he’ll habitually bet-bet-bet when checked t
Poker has evolved with gto and new theories, it's very different than 15 years ago, 15 years ago, cbetting 2/3 or more was standard, nowadays, that's called big.
For live poker, Marc Goone has preached checking oop as pfr unless villain is pro or super passive. He also preaches checking A high flops in or out of position. Alot of ppl here watch his videos. Most of it are very good learning materials, except ppl don't realize the pool is a bit different. His pool might be more aggro, while most 1/3 pool might be more passive/fishy. Pool tendencies matter so learning the meaning behind them is more important than no brainer copying them.
For online poker, cbetting small range is standard/normal.