[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.

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01 August 2024 at 05:08 PM
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by coordi

My brother in christ, the world trade center was wider than your average commercial runway

What are landing speeds compared to max speeds for these planes?


by d2_e4

I've made some comments against your points above but a brief synopsis is as follows: you are a bullshit artist and a moron.

So because soldiers fight in war where death could happen these guys are going to stay level enough to execute difficult maneuvers at the edge of the planes tolerances before they violently kill themselves? In machines they've never flown before? I swear I would give credit to anyone making a good argument. And I have. But you just suck.

A lot of soldiers just don't shoot their weapons. Did you know that? Like way more than you would think. Lots of soldiers just walk away.

Have you ever seen the way people act in a real gunfight where they really have a high chance of dying? They don't act like Clint Eastwood. They can barely get off a straight shot. Unfortunately there are plenty of videos of this produced in the U.S.

Have you ever seen the effects of shell shock on soldiers? Ever seen PTSD? It's not pretty. There are videos of that too. You should educate yourself. The human body doesn't react well to fear of imminent death. If you want to be relieved of all doubt of that I suggest going straight to the shell shock videos.


by Trolly McTrollson

Are you really that embarrassed to tell us what her theory is? Is it space lasers?

No. Not embarrassed in the slightest. I just think it would be better if you read the book as it's quite a complicated subject that a one or two word description doesn't do justice to at all.


by Deuces McKracken

What are landing speeds compared to max speeds for these planes?

Landing speed is about 175 mph while max cruise is about 590.

The point of going 175mph to land is so everyone lives though, not because a plane doesn’t fly straight at those speeds

Do you think you would struggle to hit a brick wall while driving 200 mph?


by coordi

Landing speed is about 175 mph while max cruise is about 590.

The point of going 175mph to land is so everyone lives though, not because a plane doesn’t fly straight at those speeds

Do you think you would struggle to hit a brick wall while driving 200 mph?

I think it would be hard to hit a brick wall a little bigger than the size of my car even going 200 if I were banking into it. I think it would be very difficult. But the planes were going 550-600.

I feel like everyone should know this but the faster you are going the smaller margin you have on your controls, the more impact the same change in instruments will have on your course. That's one reason video games are harder when they speed up. This should be pretty intuitive, but I've learned that nothing is sacred when it comes to defending the assertions of authority. If the official story is challenged the response is to challenge anything that challenges it. I mean, I point out that the NIST report is not peer reviewed and the response is like peer review is meaningless and so played out dude.


by Brian James

No. Not embarrassed in the slightest. I just think it would be better if you read the book as it's quite a complicated subject that a one or two word description doesn't do justice to at all.

I haven't read that book. I don't know what to think of the idea but it does highlight the utterly baffling nature of what we observed, that very technically educated people have to think outside the box to explain it.

Did NDT ever comment on 9/11? There are plenty of pundits making fun of people who don't believe the official story. But there is a lack of PhDs coming in to defend the official story. I know people imagine they are out there backing up the government's claims. I haven't seen too many tho. That doesn't mean they don't exist but there was a long stretch of time when no one seemed willing to champion the security state on this issue. A lot of experts have published articles or papers challenging the official story, but I never saw it competently defended.

I don't disagree that nothing depends on NDT. But he's just the perfect scientist for this. He goes around setting the record straight about every political controversy. These science personalities live to tell people "no, idiot, it's not like that it's like this and now that I've enlightened you feel free to behave as recommended". And he was in NY on 9/11. Why can't he liberate all of us insane idiots from our own thought traps?


by Deuces McKracken

I think it would be hard to hit a brick wall a little bigger than the size of my car even going 200 if I were banking into it. I think it would be very difficult. But the planes were going 550-600.I feel like everyone should know this but the faster you are going the smaller margin you have on your controls, the more impact the same change in instruments will have on your cours

Its been nearly 25 years. This has all been said before.

Pointing the nose at something and flying straight isn't difficult. Getting to a spot where you can get a straight shot is significantly more difficult than just flying straight


by Deuces McKracken

I mean, I point out that the NIST report is not peer reviewed and the response is like peer review is meaningless and so played out dude.

Actually we showed you that NIST's findings were in fact, peer reviewed.

Of course it's like playing whack-a-mole: knock down one of Deuce's bullshit claims and a new one magically springs up. Like how he was just toady telling us the adrenaline and fear of death would keep the pilots from flying into a building until I reminded him that kamikaze pilots managed to accomplish this task. Then he pivots to claiming trained pilots can't hit a target twice the size of a runway and he gets clowned on. Now he's going to jump back to lying about the NIST report again. When the cooldown period has ended, he'll go back to telling us the pilots couldn't have hit their targets with all that adrenaline coursing through their systems.


by Brian James

No. Not embarrassed in the slightest. I just think it would be better if you read the book as it's quite a complicated subject that a one or two word description doesn't do justice to at all.

OMG you really do believe in literal space lasers, amazing.


by Deuces McKracken

So because soldiers fight in war where death could happen these guys are going to stay level enough to execute difficult maneuvers at the edge of the planes tolerances before they violently kill themselves? In machines they've never flown before? I swear I would give credit to anyone making a good argument. And I have. But you just suck.A lot of soldiers just don't shoot their

All your arguments here are based on the fact that it's oh so difficult to fly a plane into a building, like it's some sort of expert feat that only a select few could achieve. This makes you a moron. But, we've had this discussion before, you have produced no evidence to support your claims and you just repeat the same dumb **** over and over again. This makes you a bad faith bullshit artist.


I love how these idiots talk about "flying planes into buildings" like it's a special skill you need to train for beyond just ordinary flying of planes, like "driving cars into brick walls" is a special skill beyond ordinary driving.


by Trolly McTrollson

OMG you really do believe in literal space lasers, amazing.

No. Her theory doesn't involve space or lasers as far as I can recall. It's been a while since I read the book though.


by Deuces McKracken

I haven't read that book. I don't know what to think of the idea but it does highlight the utterly baffling nature of what we observed, that very technically educated people have to think outside the box to explain it.Did NDT ever comment on 9/11? There are plenty of pundits making fun of people who don't believe the official story. But there is a lack of PhDs coming in to defe

You should read it. Her theory is backed up with lots of detailed evidence and she is highly qualified in the subject matter.


by Brian James

No. Her theory doesn't involve space or lasers as far as I can recall. It's been a while since I read the book though.

Her theory is more embarrassing than space lasers?

Like, there's a reason you won't come out and tell us what you think happened, and it's not because your theory is outrageously sensible and backed by evidence.


by d2_e4

I love how these idiots talk about "flying planes into buildings" like it's a special skill you need to train for beyond just ordinary flying of planes, like "driving cars into brick walls" is a special skill beyond ordinary driving.

Yes but we're talking about driving a car into a brick wall at a very high rate of speed. Only real Formula 1 pros know how to do that.


by Trolly McTrollson

Her theory is more embarrassing than space lasers?

Like, there's a reason you won't come out and tell us what you think happened, and it's not because your theory is outrageously sensible and backed by evidence.

No. It's because you are obviously too stupid to understand complex subjects. So it would be pointless trying to explain it too you.


by Trolly McTrollson

Her theory is more embarrassing than space lasers?

Like, there's a reason you won't come out and tell us what you think happened, and it's not because your theory is outrageously sensible and backed by evidence.

Well, it involves lasers, some of which she posits were created by companies that proclaim to want to make space lasers. So, yeah, it's space lasers.

But yes it's even more embarrassing than that. It all stems from one particular low quality video of the collapse of one of the towers. A structural spire still stands briefly after the building collapsed around it, and it falls after a second or two. In the video, since its youtube quality, people didn't notice that the spire fell downwards leaving a trail of dust in its wake - they only saw the trail of dust hang in the air above the spire for a second. They conclude that the spire must have been "dustified" by lasers. You can see the spire falling and leaving the trail of dust, but they swear it just turned to dust and ignore that you can see the spire falling and leaving the trail.

I'll see if I can find the video. It will be hilarious to hear them talk about it.

edit: here it is


Yeah, listening to her try to explain it in this video is pretty emberassing

"if you never considered that it was demolecularizing lasers then you can never come to the conclusion that it was demolecularizing lasers"

Compelling stuff


Judy Wood is full blown woo woo.


by Brian James

No. It's because you are obviously too stupid to understand complex subjects. So it would be pointless trying to explain it too you.

What if Al Qaida got their hands on a flux capacitor and some unobtanium crystals and built their own demolecularizing laser? Bet your Dr. Wood hadn't considered that, so she couldn't come to the conclusion that it was that. I feel smarter than Dr. Wood already, and she's a real doctor!


by Deuces McKracken

I think it would be hard to hit a brick wall a little bigger than the size of my car even going 200 if I were banking into it. I think it would be very difficult. But the planes were going 550-600.

Do you also have trouble staying in lane when going round bends perchance? You sure you should be driving, gramps?


by coordi

Its been nearly 25 years. This has all been said before.

Pointing the nose at something and flying straight isn't difficult. Getting to a spot where you can get a straight shot is significantly more difficult than just flying straight

They weren't flying in straight lines. And the plane that hit the Pentagon did a cork screw into it. We discussed earlier ITT how there was a moment in time where a correction had to be made outside of the normal reaction time for human pilots.

But whatever I mean the takeover of the planes and the flying of them is interesting but probably the least compelling of all the reasons to not believe the official story. I think we have reached a point where at least we know what we disagree on. You say it's easy for someone who had never flown a jet before, now doing so on the verge of their imminent demise, to bank a large commercial jet into an façade slightly wider than it going max speed of 550+. I say, based on what I've heard pilots say, it would take an incredible amount of luck to do so.

lol it looks like somehow the bias was taken out of AI for this question I asked, whether professional pilots can recreate the hits on the WTC towers on their first try:

No, skilled pilots could not recreate the World Trade Center hits with the same precision and speed as the hijackers on the first try, especially at maximum speed. The 9/11 hijackers were flying at speeds significantly outside the normal operating envelope of the aircraft, and their maneuvers were considered highly unusual and difficult for even experienced pilots


Skilled pilots with 1000s of hours can't do it at max speed first try, but shitty pilots about to die went ahead and got quads in the biggest pot of their lives. Sure.

Is it fun not thinking? Am I missing out on a lot of good times? I'm starting to wonder.

Again, the flying of the planes is probably the least compelling point to doubt the official story. And that's the thing about it. It's not like there are a few questions here or there. There are always going to be unexplained observations when you look at anything. It's that absolutely nothing checks out for 9/11 official story.


I'm not sure you actually believe the stuff you're saying tbh but who knows.

More importantly, do you think we landed on the moon?


by coordi

Yeah, listening to her try to explain it in this video is pretty emberassing"if you never considered that it was demolecularizing lasers then you can never come to the conclusion that it was demolecularizing lasers"Compelling stuff

What the hell are you on about?

She doesn't say anything in that video.

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