Trapping Aggressive player preflop with KK and the pot balloons OOP
$3/$5 NL. Effective stacks $2500.
MP limps.
Folds to H in SB with KdKh, who calls.
LAG Asian pro in BB makes it $25.
Limp
Really bad play of him to not see that OP probably had AA/KK and was not folding. Also, raising the limper and SB with ATC is not good.
Maybe good play by OP against this player. Not all aggro 2/5 regs that good.
Look...I like your preflop limp even though 92% of the forum probably hated it and thought it was the wrong move. You know the opponent and went for an exploitative maneuver. It's not something you would (or should) typically do, but you got him to act in just the manner you wanted which was to raise you when you had such a strong holding. I get that you were OOP, but you sacrificed making the standard play in favor of being unpredictable and unorthodox which is sometimes how we get more of their money in.
Checking the turn is the place I feel you would want to rethink. I do not like the thought of giving free cards which is what you would have given him if he checked back, but in this case, you turned over control of the hand to him which gave you pause to potentially fold your winning hand.
It would be terrible play against most pros, but it was perfectly played against this guy who was automatically aggressive. Like a bull who will charge a flag you are waiving. Someone who raises a limper OOP with any two cards. He didn't notice the limp/reraise was likely a big pair. Then he bet pot/pot when you checked to him.
You couldn't get my chips in the pot fast enough with KK on this flop. This is why the turn check only works if you plan on calling almost any bet on the river. But honestly, this V has you pretty well read if he got you thinking about folding here. limp-3b! isn't as tricky as you think I guess.
Everyone keeps saying "V played bad" but you obviously had a hard time calling even though you set it up really well to call. I'm guessing if he bet pot or even OB you would have folded. He just needs to recalibrate his bet size against you if you're willing to fold with this line and he'll be printing.
The other thing about this limp/reraise is it isn't like a limp/reraise from UTG where you could be raising over premium hands, so traditionally the 3-bettor had AA/KK. The limper has a wide and probably capped range. You are completing with almost your whole range. The BB apparently has ATC. So it is perfectly reasonable for the BB to think you are doing this for value with a fairly wide range. Most people would be concerned about AA/KK, as well as QQ/JJ hitting sets, and not blast off though. We don't know what he had though. He could have been semibluffing with something.
In general though, as SB you could limp/3! a much wider range against 2 extremely wide ranges. If BB has close to 100% range, he should fold most of it to your large 3!, but he probably isn't doing that.
In general, the limp/3! against a pro deep with mostly AA/KK is a disaster, because he can fold everything but pps and probably direct suited connectors and fold when he misses and stack you when he hits. That is partly why his large turn and river bets are concerning, that he knows you have AA/KK and is trying to extract..
Yes, if V shoves the river or overbets the pot, it's much harder for me to call, given how deep we were (another $1300 or so left behind). However, I have seen him make plenty of overbet bluffs. I have also seen him call large overbets on the river with a bluff catcher (and lose).
If my limp-reraise from the SB is so face up for AA/KK/QQ/AK, what could he possibly call with if he believes that? Does it make sense for him to call with Axs or anything at all? He does have position on me, maybe he thinks if he hits he can realize the huge IO due to deep stacks, or maybe he has it in his mind he can steal the pot from me on the later streets. I think it's just a bad call nonetheless if he identifies my range as above. Pot odds preflop: $160 pot, and he needs to call $105.
My guess is he gave me a wider preflop range, and then when I checked the turn he figured I didn't have an overpair. But then when I called the turn, yeah it's obvious I have one, unless I can check call there with QQ, JJ or AQ. But then on the river he realizes he has no showdown value against my range and he tries to run me off the hand. The recent history between us has been me check folding to his c-bets, and I haven't shown much aggression to him, though he has seen me be aggressive toward weak players in other sessions. My table image varies from tight nit to solid reg, but I definitely have used unexpected aggression at times (though not everyone has seen that, and it's not always the right play by me in retrospect).
Say I do bet 2/3 pot on the turn, instead of checking. And V calls. The river is a J. If I bet chunky, what is V going to call with that I beat? KQ/AQ? AJ - probably not. So the river looks like a block/small bet for me, or a check (and potentially induce). Is this really a 3-street betting hand for me?
...If my limp-reraise is so face up for AA/KK/QQ/AK, what could he possibly call with if he believes that? Does it make sense for him to call with Axs or anything at all? He does have position on me, maybe he thinks if he hits he can realize the huge IO due to deep stacks, or maybe he has it in his mind he can steal the pot from me on the later streets. I think it's just a bad
Pot odds have very little to do with it. Implied odds are what's key here. 105 to call what will be a 265 pot, and you have 2370 back. That's over 20:1, V's in position and by overlimping/re-raising, while it's not certain H has KK+/AK, it's looking pretty likely, with emphasis on the PPs. I'm V, I'm calling you with all kinds of hands that are going to be easy to play against that range. Probably calling everything except maybe AA. Why put in a 4!, if you're just going to fire off a 5!?
So I had V calling 22+, Axs, and a bunch of SC. Take a flop, see what happens. With that range, and knowing your range, that runout isn't great for you if they keep betting, and if the next paragraph was also true.
I also had V recognizing with your prior history, and you sitting now upstream of them, that you might be wanting to put up a stand today, and so they aren't going to have much/any FE. They clearly missed that cue...
He fell for the oldest trick in the book.
If bb is c a lling the 3! With hands that are profitablevagainst aa/kk face up, it should be a smalll percentage of his atc raosing range
Because both players have such weak ranges and you should take it down a lot preflop or postflop, it might be a good play with a wider range, represebting aa/kk