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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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by Luciom

I still don't understand why you think Trump will control the "Donald J. Trump Presidential Library Fund" from 2029 on, given that's controlled by federal agencies.

You could do some actual research on the issue.

Or listen to Didace:

by Didace

The libraries are managed by the government. The foundations are not.


by Luciom

I don't understand, what is the purported personal benefit Trump gets from that plane being property of the US government? isn't potus going to use the air force one anyway? Ofc elected politicians shouldn't be allowed to take personal gifts , but why is this case a gift that "circumvents norms"? it's rather large to hide it's use by trump or his family, and trump and his famil

Like vacation paid to SC justices isn’t benefiting them to enrich themselves ?


by Luciom

In the USA the president is one of the 3 branches of government. He is the government same as the 9 justices are the government or all members of congress are the government.

Luciom in your opinion ,
The U.S. president role should used executive power to respect congress wishes or uses executive power to circumvent and control congress ?


by Montrealcorp

Luciom in your opinion ,
The U.S. president role should used executive power to respect congress wishes or uses executive power to circumvent and control congress ?

it's a different power so I really expect it to counterbalance congress as much as it can, it's proper and good if POTUS acts against congress will.

the only thing you should fear is a government where all the parts move under the same rhythm.

that's when the people get raped, slaughtered and butchered like animals.

remember that the best thing gvmnt can do about anything is almost always nothing.

everything that makes it harder for gvmnt to act benefits the People. gvmnt is the enemy not your friend. a necessary evil monster, still an evil monster.

you want gvmnt to be handicapped as much as possible to do anything that isn't ultra super majoritarian


by Luciom

it's a different power so I really expect it to counterbalance congress as much as it can, it's proper and good if POTUS acts against congress will.the only thing you should fear is a government where all the parts move under the same rhythm.that's when the people get raped, slaughtered and butchered like animals.remember that the best thing gvmnt can do about anything is alm

It is impressive how you use this as an argument in favor of unchecked executive power and to justify corruption.


by tame_deuces

It is impressive how you use this as an argument in favor of unchecked executive power and to justify corruption.

i don't? I use that argument to be in favor of impounding (refusing to spend money congress deliberated to spend) and of non-delegation


luc i would almost agree with the acceptance of the plane if it remained with the executive office instead of getting transferred over

but it's not, the fact that it'll be transferred to him personally makes it perfectly clear what is actually going on


by Luciom

i don't? I use that argument to be in favor of impounding (refusing to spend money congress deliberated to spend) and of non-delegation

But congress are elected officials that are in charge of spending u get that right ?
How many time u said it here…

And now u are in favour that someone abuses executives power for what exactly ?
Aren’t you always in absolute favour on respecting how the constitution works ?
But yes because it’s something you would actually like being done , now rules don’t matter no more ?
.
What a surprise….

Trump abuses executive power to even overpass congress , tariffs are a clear example of it …

He uses like any authoritarian/ dictator emergency measures to increase/abuse his power to impose his will .

For a “libertarian” and advocate of literal advocate of the constitution I’m surprised by your views…..not !

Cause u just are not a true libertarian .


by rickroll

luc i would almost agree with the acceptance of the plane if it remained with the executive office instead of getting transferred over

but it's not, the fact that it'll be transferred to him personally makes it perfectly clear what is actually going on

Guys i checked on google and "Trump presidential library foundation" was an expression never used before 2 days ago.

I checked if "obama presidential library foundation" or other president names exist, nothing.

There is an obama foundation, and the obama presidential library managed by the executive, but no "obama presidential library foundation".

Same as no Bush or Biden "presidential library foundation".

So what happened is ABC quoted random anonymous people "familiar with the deal" that used that expression, and everyone now is an expert on "presidential library foundations" that don't exist.

I'd like didace to link where he got the "the library is managed by the executive, the library foundation isn't" idea from given that "library foundations" don't appear to exist.

Or tame_deuce, he can try to explain to me which legal entity controlled by Trump will own the plane after 2029 linking to me some proof this legal entity actually exists.


I have no idea about any of this, but it all sounds very much like someone made up this foundation exactly to make it sound like the bribe, I mean gift, wasn't going to Trump directly.


by Luciom

I'd like didace to link where he got the "the library is managed by the executive, the library foundation isn't" idea from given that "library foundations" don't appear to exist.

It is known. But, if you want to learn, here you go.

Also, organizations of the same type and purpose don't need to have cookie-cutter names. I could start a foundation to educate misinformed Italians and call it "Hey Dumb Shits, Wise the **** Up".

Also also, there currently isn't a Trump foundation, he generally likes for people to give him money directly so he doesn't need to actually use it for the stated purpose.


by d2_e4

I have no idea about any of this, but it all sounds very much like someone made up this foundation exactly to make it sound like the bribe, I mean gift, wasn't going to Trump directly.

Many such cases


by Didace

It is known. But, if you want to learn, here you go.Also, organizations of the same type and purpose don't need to have cookie-cutter names. I could start a foundation to educate misinformed Italians and call it "Hey Dumb Shits, Wise the **** Up".Also also, there currently isn't a Trump foundation, he generally likes for people to give him money directly so he doesn't need to a

see as I wrote, there is an Obama foundation, not a "Obama presidential library foundation".

and ofc there is a Trump foundation, it's the entity that lost a big case recently in NYS for a huge fine.

so, we agree there is no "trump presidential library foundation"?

difference is quite relevant because if this plane is going to the TRUMP PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY then it stays public, unlike if it goes to some Trump foundation.

but there is no reason to believe it could ever go to the private Trump foundation, it's a public asset gifted to the government.

wonna bet that's how it will be when the paperwork will be known in full? just going to the Trump presidential library?

quite dramatically different from what tame deuce and you were implying all along


I do find it interesting about how we are having this giant conversation about Trump's corruption, but are completely agnostic towards the party on the other end. Kind of proves my point about how elites are manipulating the discourse to ensure Qatar itself is never put under any scrutiny.

Even someone like AOC, who is hyper critical of this style of corruption, and not shy about critiquing pro-Israel Jewish groups like AIPAC, I doubt you could get her to even say the word Qatar.


by Dunyain

I do find it interesting about how we are having this giant conversation about Trump's corruption, but are completely agnostic towards the party on the other end. Kind of proves my point about how elites are manipulating the discourse to ensure Qatar itself is never put under any scrutiny. Even someone like AOC, who is hyper critical of this style of corruption, and not shy a

given Qatar was buying democrats for decades through the academic channel (and far larger sums, billions per year), they can't talk about that too much.

question can be what exactly does Qatar want to accomplish? it isn't obvious at all


by Luciom

difference is quite relevant because if this plane is going to the TRUMP PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY then it stays public

No.


Current year non-defense federal obligations are down 20.5% as compared to 2024. Cash outlays will follow as obligations come due.

Persistent government wide contract reviews for wasteful spend, consistent with the DOGE Cost Efficiency Executive Order, are bearing fruit.



Nothing to see here

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/14...

“The DOGE Team at Treasury killed free tax filing software, is outsourcing foundational technical infrastructure, and firing the cops who keep our financial system safe from catastrophe,” she said. “They also have large holdings in the exact tax prep, government contracting and financial services companies that will profit from their actions. Who are they working for?”


Wow, gutting everything to save 60-70 billion a year. Why didn't anyone think of this sooner


by d2_e4

I have no idea about any of this, but it all sounds very much like someone made up this foundation exactly to make it sound like the bribe, I mean gift, wasn't going to Trump directly.

this

luc this is a terrible blindspot of yours

lets say the gov does control the plane afterwards, even so, why transfer it for his library usage instead of a more generalized allocation

surely it can be put to better use than for exclusive usage by the family of the former president


Trump believed classified information belong to him .
Guess it will be even easier for a plane .

Ps: trump is asexually gifted with foundation working for him /

https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/19/trum...


by rickroll

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luc this is a terrible blindspot of yours

lets say the gov does control the plane afterwards, even so, why transfer it for his library usage instead of a more generalized allocation

surely it can be put to better use than for exclusive usage by the family of the former president

Trump is getting bribed (legally) left and right since day 1 and no one is under the assumption that isn't happening.

Jfc guys trump has memecoins to his name, all someone who wants to bribe him has to do is to buy trumpcoins. Or organize any other pump and dump of any small cap memecoints just tellin trump cronies in advance.

Or one can always book lavish suites in trump hotels and buy as many surcharged extra services as he wants, for as many people as he wants. And a zillion other ways.

But this huge 400m plane isn't a bribe. It isn't going to be owned by a trump-controlled entity.


Wow.

German secret services actually (temporarily?) retracted the report labeling AfD "extremist". The retraction had less than 1/100 the coverage the original accusation had of course, even I just learnt of it now, a week later.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-...

ust six days after the agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, also known as the BfV, said it had gathered “definitive evidence” that the AfD seeks to undermine Germany’s democratic order, the BfV told an administrative court in Cologne that it will suspend the classification while legal proceedings are ongoing.

The BfV will now monitor the party only as a “suspected case,” a lower-tier designation that still allows surveillance, but under stricter judicial oversight.


by Luciom

But this huge 400m plane isn't a bribe. It isn't going to be owned by a trump-controlled entity.

The devil is in the details, but this is wrong.


Seems like the chances of Trump lying and putting in place the plan to keep it after he leaves are pretty dam high. Hard to imagine conservatives doing anything.

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