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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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by campfirewest

He should at least give them the opportunity to transition back.

no because the rationale for kicking them out isn't trans ness, rather gender dysphoria (the mental illness), like all other forms of mental illness, being incompatible with deployment.

you know the same rationale that made them incompatible with military service before under both democratic and republican presidents.


by ecriture d'adulte

Hegseth, Trump, Vance, RFK sort of proves there was no good faith "I just want the best people in important jobs" anti DEI folks. They would be up in arms if they existed about how poorly the ideology is being represented in terms of competence.

You're being a bit unfair. It might be that a drunken influencer with a makeup addiction, convicted felon and serial liar, professional weather-wane and charity fraud that convinces parents to kill their children was the best they could do.

It is not easy to run an ideology that is always right and responsible for no wrong. It requires a lack of integrity, character and principle that is not easy to come by.


LOL... Scoreboard

Modern 'free press' is a complete disastrous embarrassment.


by MSchu18

LOL... ScoreboardModern 'free press' is a complete disastrous embarrassment.

Any reason you keep double posting?


If you don’t like double posting then you don’t like mschu posting


Twice the stupidity!


by weeeez

Any reason you keep double posting

Some restaurants it’s “illegal “ to receives tips just for doing their jobs but for president , nah 400 millions jet it’s all good and we promise you , the president wont treat Qatar any differently …..


by Montrealcorp

Some restaurants it’s “illegal “ to receives tips just for doing their jobs but for president , nah 400 millions jet it’s all good and we promise you , the president wont treat Qatar any differently …..

It's very illegal for him to take this.

When I worked for the federal government, we weren't allowed to accept anything valued over $25 or so.


by chillrob

It's very illegal for him to take this.

When I worked for the federal government, we weren't allowed to accept anything valued over $25 or so.

well you worked for the gvmnt, he is the gvmnt


by Luciom

well you worked for the gvmnt, he is the gvmnt

King Donald I is supposed to work for the people.

"l'état c'est Trump"


lol he's not the government.

jfc


by Gorgonian

lol he's not the government.

jfc

*puts Gorgonian's name in Bound for CECOT book*


In the USA the president is one of the 3 branches of government. He is the government same as the 9 justices are the government or all members of congress are the government.


This isn't complicated.

If the people below you in the system can only accept a gift worth 25$, then you as the leader should not accept gifts at all. This would show respect to the principles of the government and nation, and also respect for civil service.

Now, of course. Leaders of nations will be presented with gifts in the name of diplomacy, and in the name of diplomacy we probably should not simply return them. Great, then these gifts should simply be passed along to the state under the understanding that they are only given to us because we lead the state. This even has the added bonus of allowing for a catalogue / archive of such diplomatic gifts, which is nice. It is my understanding that in the US it is typically the National Archives which serves as the curator for such items.

In a sense, it is this second principle which is being perverted in this case. On paper this is not a gift for Donald Trump. However, in practice it is for his enrichment and benefit also after he leaves office.

I am not a naive fool. I know it is 2025 and a lot of people don't really give a rat's ass about civic duty. However, that only makes things like this even more important.


by tame_deuces

This isn't complicated.If the people below you in the system can only accept a gift worth 25$, then you as the leader should not accept gifts at all. This would show respect to the principles of the government and nation, and also respect for civil service. Now, of course. Leaders of nations will be presented with gifts in the name of diplomacy, and in the name of diplomacy we

The Qatari plane will become US government property though


If someone flew that thing into the Statue of Liberty...


by Luciom

The Qatari plane will become US government property though

This is duly addressed in the very post you replied to.

"In a sense, it is this second principle which is being perverted in this case. On paper this is not a gift for Donald Trump. However, in practice it is for his enrichment and benefit also after he leaves office."

Basically, it is a transparently corrupt paper deal meant to circumvent the law and ignore norms. This makes it even worse.

While this is an extreme case since it involves a very expensive airplane, the principle is a common way to conduct corruption, but usually involves less expensive objects like luxury cars, helicopters, yachts etc. Basically you take objects where the value is in use of the item, and where ownership could even be a net negative. Then you make this object freely available to person A to ingrain yourself or pay for favors.

Regardless, this isn't even up for debate. Heads of state, bureaucrats or elected officials should not accept expensive gifts or valuable services. Even in the most innocuous of cases and small amounts, it still raises ethical issues, creates poor optics and sets a piss poor example of civic duty.

This particular case is so brazenly corrupt and reeks so bad, that it tells you a lot about the greed of Trump that he has still chosen to accept it. It also says a lot about his appointees that they are defending this.


by tame_deuces

This is duly addressed in the very post you replied to. Basically, it is a transparently corrupt paper deal meant to circumvent the law and ignore norms. This makes it even worse. While this is an extreme case since it involves a very expensive airplane, the principle is a common way to conduct corruption, but usually involves less expensive objects like luxury cars, helicopt

I don't understand, what is the purported personal benefit Trump gets from that plane being property of the US government? isn't potus going to use the air force one anyway?

Ofc elected politicians shouldn't be allowed to take personal gifts , but why is this case a gift that "circumvents norms"? it's rather large to hide it's use by trump or his family, and trump and his family *already have one of the best planes in the world to use for free*


If he’s intending to leave office at some point it’s just the usual ego and narcissism. If he’s not…


by Luciom

I don't understand, what is the purported personal benefit Trump gets from that plane being property of the US government? isn't potus going to use the air force one anyway? Ofc elected politicians shouldn't be allowed to take personal gifts , but why is this case a gift that "circumvents norms"? it's rather large to hide it's use by trump or his family, and trump and his famil

In both posts you have replied to it states very clearly that Trumps gets to use the airplane after he leaves office. The deal stipulates as Trump's term ends, ownership of the aircraft will be handed over to the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library Fund.

I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you are able to deduce who can use it freely under that ownership.

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However, even if this big glaring loophole was not corruptly exploited, this isn't very hard. The gift should have simply been denied due to its optics. "We thank the Qatar royal family for their generosity and hope that this magnificent gift will find a worthy recipient in the future. May the good relations between our countries continue!" which in diplomatic parlance would translate roughly to "We are not for sale unlike others, we can still sit down and do business".


I still don't understand why you think Trump will control the "Donald J. Trump Presidential Library Fund" from 2029 on, given that's controlled by federal agencies.


if you ever wonder where the Zionists get their depravity...

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by Luciom

I still don't understand why you think Trump will control the "Donald J. Trump Presidential Library Fund" from 2029 on, given that's controlled by federal agencies.

The libraries are managed by the government. The foundations are not.


by campfirewest

He should at least give them the opportunity to transition back.

THIS!!!

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