I’ve got maniacs to my left maniacs to my right, I’m the only nit in sight
At my local casino the other night. I sat down at an 1-2 nl 400 max and there was one big stack to my left (about a thousand dollars). This guy was super aggressive. He raised often and would three bet more than most 1-2 players. His raise size was $15, and it didn’t vary. If he was first in $15. If there were limpers $15. If there was a straddle and limpers 15. I saw him take it to $23 once. He was on the button and the whole table limped folded. I saw him win two pots at showdown with A3o and J8s. Most of his wins came from getting players to fold. This player will be known as $15 guy
About an hour later another maniac sat down at the other end of table. He was even more aggressive taking it to $12 most of the time($12 guy). I saw him size up to $22 with JJ. And he was winning a lot, and built his stack up to about $1200.
I don’t understand how these two players were able to win as much as they did. They were not playing a standard winning style. Players were folding to them even though they were wide. What’s up with that? They seemed predictable. Raising the same size with junk, sizing up with premiums. Nobody tried to back raise them.
I was card dead most of the night and couldn’t go to war. I was threebet with cards I didn’t think I could play out of position. How should I play against these types of players? Are these guys long term winners or did I just catch them on positive variance? Should I adopt a more maniac style?
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You likely caught them on some positive variance, but you make an important observation: nobody was fighting back against them with aggression preflop, and this probably extends out to the rest of the hand. For example, let's say you're barreling 3 streets, and it's likely your opponent is raising flop or turn with a lot of their monsters, when you just get called on a previous street(s), you often have bluff opportunities on a later street(s) that prints. Board texture dependent, but this is often the case, especially in games I've observed where I live.
The problem is most maniacs are simply too gamble-heavy/call-happy even when their opponent obviously has a monstrous hand/range, like when an opponent 3bets pre or finally raises postflop. These scenarios are where maniacs often bleed money.
Are they capable of folding big hands?
If the answer is yes, they easily can crush it at these stakes.
The advantage of playing like this :
If someone bets or raises into them they know someone has a strong hand (top linear Range) and is likely to go all the way. Because everybody is scared facing big bets
They just wait and outflop you with like
J2s vs your AQ
On A J 2 board .
You must read well flops & generalky play well post.
How i will play against them?
If super duper deep, just call IP with suited value hands , any suited A
OOP deep vs someone like that is a nightmare..
If we short below 200 or 150BB
I will push back and 4b AJs + TT+
If we are good in flop reading and ok calling AI mit 2nd pair on some boards :
Check call them pretty light ;
Works good against bullies without an understanding of ranges (bc our range is often capped
At my local casino the other night. I sat down at an 1-2 nl 400 max and there was one big stack to my left (about a thousand dollars). This guy was super aggressive. He raised often and would three bet more than most 1-2 players. His raise size was $15, and it didn’t vary. If he was first in $15. If there were limpers $15. If there was a straddle and limpers 15. I saw him
Don’t copy them this is a bad strategy at $1/$2. They likely ran well. Raising more pre helps keep thinks simpler post flop. If you run good having 6 players to every flop helps but in long run youll make way more sizing up appropriately pre. That to me is a dream table I would 3 bet the **** out of everyone and print
3bets in low stakes casino games are fairly rare so if you're playing against TWO players who are three-betting light very often you need to make a big adjustment to how you usually play (which will just be folding + calling hands that crack big hands when you have implied odds against tag players).
in this spot where you're expecting to get 3bet often you want to stop opening low suited connectors as much and instead adjust your range to hands that you can 4bet for value (obv) and 4bet as a bluff.
you probably have no 4bet bluffing range (most llsnl players don't) but it's the strongest tool against this type of player. they assume (correctly) nobody has a 4bet bluffing range so when it happens to them they just fold. or they actually are pure maniac and call off with j4 suited in which case hopefully you are rolled to withstand the variance and walk away with a lot of chips.
so your 4bet range is going to be value plus enough bluffs from the hands you open but don't want to play OOP to try to take the pot down right there. if you shove A5s and get looked up by Q3o then you know this is the player type that folds nothing to any amount of aggression and you can further adjust from there.
At my local casino the other night. I sat down at an 1-2 nl 400 max and there was one big stack to my left (about a thousand dollars). This guy was super aggressive. He raised often and would three bet more than most 1-2 players. His raise size was $15, and it didn’t vary. If he was first in $15. If there were limpers $15. If there was a straddle and limpers 15. I saw him take
Aggressive poker is winning poker. The point is not going crazy every.single time.
It is also very dependent on the player pool. A station or tricky trappy player might own a maniac given the right circumstances.
Against these maniac it is also very dependent on the maniac. Does he have a fold button? If he has no fold button start getting it in with your strong ranges. If he has a fold button start playing your draws/bluffs more aggressively vs them. Calling down light and such.
Having position and playing headsup is best vs them otherwise just nit it up is fine. But the thing being a nit is very noticeable to everybody at the tables.