Should you ever bust in level 1 of a live poker tournament?
I usually feel things out in level one and think busting in level one is uncalled for, because of stack depths. We are
OP, what was the buyin, were there rebuys, and approximately how many people were left when you busted?
Do we think villain plays Hand 2 differently with TT or 44?
Yes it’s fine to go out early 250bb deep but honestly- it should be a brutal cooler to get the chips in. Stuff like set over set.
With AA, I’m fine getting it in post if we try our best to get the spr as low as possible. I can’t give a correct figure but with overpairs, it’s more ideal if spr is lower to just auto stack off. If the spr is like say 20+, we want to be careful even stacking off with overpairs bc it’s quite the punt when we run into a set. Example say 100/200 and someone opens to 600, we make it 2k or 2.5k in position and we see a flop heads up. Let’s say we see 37J rainbow. Pot is 1700
In case 1 and 5500 in case 2. If we started with 50k, spr is 10.6 / 8.6. Ideal world we get spr as low as possible without punting away value.
This is a reason I normally like sizing up with overpair hands early especially if multiple people call a raise. I think going a tad too large is much better than too small and letting a few see flop where they can stack us if they hit a straight/set bc we kinda have to call post flop bets. Going too large punts value though so wanna find a happy medium bc we want calls (duh) but don’t want to give a great price to set mine.
If you are stacking off with way AK or AQ on a A59 flop, it’s normally bad bc people aren’t getting 250bb in with AJ or worse type hands normally. Check raises on this type of board with not many draws can be a sign that we are in trouble by general tight live population. We gotta call but we gotta be prepared to fold turn or river in spots bc what do we beat? This is a reason why I tend to like 30-60bb average stack tourny poker more than 200-300bb early play bc if we punt that many BBs, it’s bad. Overpairs can be annoying to play early in tournaments bc it’s difficult to really get the spr low enough where it can be an auto stack off
What's interesting about the early stages of MTTs especially level 1 is the value of a double up is nowhere the near the value mid/late game. Most of the money made in tournaments is when you get a big stack and can put heavy pressure on short/mid stacks - early game you can't. I'm not sure how we can even calculate the value of doubling up level 1 - I think you can remain super aggro pre and postflop, but if you get pushback in marginal spots you have to avoid it. Late game especially when you have a small/medium stack I think you need to play super aggro and take more marginal spots. If you have say 30 bb late game and think you can pull a big bluff off it's worth it to give it a go assuming you can leverage that 60-70bb stack aggressively. Tournaments are very nuanced in the sense you can't calculate the value of doubling up relative to ROI - some can double up and leverage that stack much better than others, so making decisions in a vacuum isn't correct.
Isn’t that what rebuys are for? Asking for a friend.
Age old question: What about WSOP Main Event?
I mean, if you have top full and lose to quads, then probably, yeah.
Lol I don’t remember which pro it was that posted a hand that led to this debate, but it was like one of the first hands of the ME (if not the very first hand). He said he correctly folded top boat bc it was so early and like the first ME the amateur had ever played and the amateur always has it. Amateur showed the goods.
Vanessa just couldn’t do it. Happy Birthday!
In Biggest Game In Town Sklansky told Alvarez you should always just shove preflop with AA in the ME, and it’s probably better advice now than it was then.
