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16 July 2022 at 04:27 PM
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by NotThremp

Guy,The part about experts is pretty great. Living in Yurop I get exposed to a lot of "follow the science" folks. (There is also a bunch of handwaving about the precautionary principle which is asinine, but for another day.) There are a variety of non-science based policies that are hilarious. Germany bans the general sterilization of dogs, which has a large amount of research

It's very interesting and it says something about you that your response to this is pointing out specific policies of elites that are unscientific and demonstrably counter-productive even after a cursory glance at evidence rather than any social commentary about the distinction between experts/elites and how they are both socialized and responded to differently. I think this is something unique about you that I'm not accustomed to encountering.

Having had a bit more time to digest and think about this: I don't fit in with this employer because my own training and education was way more heavily focused on becoming an expert rather than becoming an elite. This place is trying to do the opposite. Every school I've worked for prior to this focused on experts over elites, with the previous one taking this to almost comical extremes to where things like art/music/sport were ignored entirely. Granted, if you can't meet the basic academic standards of acceptable grades on CIE exams, your amazing socialization of prospective elites/children of elites is worth very little. But to their credit, this school does an amazing job at translating elite white culture to elite Chinese. I'm just not sure the customer was even asking for this or could implicitly distinguish between differences in education between the two categories.

Another involuntary gut response I had: This distinction between elite and expert is one of the many things I wish I would have known as a teenager as it would have radically altered how I lived my life. It was implicit knowledge for many people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, but these were things my own family and extended family were just oblivious to. I feel like I was just so oblivious in general to how social status works in human societies and thought the only hierarchy was based on "competence", which single mother raised teenage me assumed was just a function of deference to authority figures and compliance with what people in your school system wanted you to do.

My head of high school application would have never been considered if the school didn't kinda need an "expert" as opposed to an "elite" for the position due to such dire circumstances.


Elite: MBA from a school everyday average people have heard of and implicitly respect. Few technical skills, immense pedigree and probably crushes the job market.

Expert: Master's program in econ and mathematical finance at a niche largely unknown university that is only ranked highly for that specific masters that nobody has even heard of. Narrow range of technical skills for a handful of specific purposes.


The expert/elite spectrum is an interesting thought problem, but I don't think it is really useful in creating useful life heuristics or frameworks for decision making beyond what is readily apparent to people with atleast average intelligence.

I thought it would be fairly interesting to point out situations where elites have essentially taken a random stance on issues that are reasonably well solved regarding pets or banal public health issues and point out how Yurop is just as backward ass and anti-science as the rest of the world, despite their best efforts to pretend otherwise. Some elites may be more or less truth seeking than others, but when we look at people we recognize as notably "anti-science" in leadership positions it may just be happenstance of their coalition building. I wouldn't consider all of Yurop scientifically backward, but somehow they have a variety of policies that make zero sense when considered from the context of "what would experts in this field say". Then again there are other issues where a scientific argument is used as a smokescreen for other end goals. (IE the health risks of chlorine bathing chicken vs the obvious economic benefits of keeping Tyson tendies off the Euro market)

Another relevant example of the elite/expert issue is at tech companies. There are a handful of ICs globally that receive the compensation of a big tech VP. But the IC is almost always one of the foremost experts in their specific field, while every tech company has dozens of VPs (or more). Surely we can't believe that random Jimmy the VP is worth as much as the world's foremost expert on newSQL databases at Gewgle? But somehow Jimmy has not just convinced all the other elites, but all of the experts as well. Maybe I'll mull this idea over a bit more as I go for a walk. But it seems vastly more interesting to reflect on various aspects of life where this is readily apparent than anything else.


upper

NG slow eccentric strapped chins: bwx19, 14, 10
cable fly: 1 set to failure
machine press: 1.75kgx12, 9 gremlins stole my cable machine while supersetting. It was intentional. I did not rage out on them and just went to machine press... which is where they were before which is why I chose cable flies. I was internally seething ofc.
Incline db press: 30kgx20, 12 blowing away #s I was hitting on this as 2nd lift compared to a year ago.
Machine rows: 47kgx15, 40kgx9, 17
Mag "rowdowns": 60kgx9, 42.5kgx12
cable pullover: 1 set

triset cable curl, db incline skullcrusher, db prone delt raise: 3 rounds

Posing for about 10 minutes

can't listen tonight but I'm going to tomorrow at work

It used to be that the only people talking about the severe dating market imbalance were red pill psychos and grifters. In retrospect, I wouldn't take it seriously because everything else they say is just so facking ratarded. But as demographic decline is kind of requiring society to investigate the causes, it's being discussed by increasingly mainstream sources. I mean, it's most often "Men struggling, neet, not dating, not having sex, not succeeding in secondary or higher education, can't get a job, can't afford a house...WOMEN SUFFERING AS A RESULT OF THIS BECAUSE NOW THEY CAN'T FIND PARTNERS!111 OMG DO SOMETHING NOW! (but plz maintain all the mandated female favoritism plz)"

Sure, Based Camp is literally a moderately far right/libertarian secular pro-natalist podcast and couldn't be described as 'mainstream', but mainstream is a relative term and obviously somebody like me is going deep into abysses of the internet to find an understanding of social dynamics and society, so to me a podcast like this where the host has appeared on Chris Williamson like two or three times is 'maintream' by comparison. But I guess the average CNN viewer actually doesn't even know who Chris Williamson is and confuses Joe Rogan with Alex Jones.

Even China getting it increasingly now... Viet wives are totally normal in Guangxi province now. South Korea, as he says, something like 30% of rural farmers have foreign wives.

Again, I'm not going to claim I have any solutions, that'd be arrogant.

but very clearly the answer is kick them the **** out of universities and work places, forced into the kitchen, strict choice between wife/home maker or in person sex worker with rare exceptions being allowed into jobs like nursing, elementary school, tampon factory etc, and abolishing no-fault divorce and giving default male custody of any kids and retention of any shared propery. Then civilization magically fixed totally bro

I think I'm joking but when I read it back I think "yeah honestly that sounds about right".


by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

upperNG slow eccentric strapped chins: bwx19, 14, 10cable fly: 1 set to failuremachine press: 1.75kgx12, 9 gremlins stole my cable machine while supersetting. It was intentional. I did not rage out on them and just went to machine press... which is where they were before which is why I chose cable flies. I was internally seething ofc. Incline db press: 30kgx20, 12 blowing away


-Looking at the parts of the map with high birthrates (which not coincidentally are practicing some version of your answer) "civilization" isn't exactly the word that comes to mind. Ideally, one would want to try to thread the needle of not having population collapse and also not having gender norms, or really any other cultural practices, like Afghanistan or Niger.

Whatever your politics, Israel is an interesting example of a "civilized" nation that also has an above average birthrate, even among the secular majority. Maybe something about existential risk providing a sense of mortality and urgency not present in the rest of the developed world, most of whom has never fought a war or been truly threatened on their own soil in living memory?


am divorced to a woman from guangxi

when we got married we had to fly there to register at a special place for marriages to foreigners in guangxi

it was basically all guangxi men with southeast asian wives - if i did the same up in beijing it would have been mostly other white men and asian wimmen so was pretty interesting to notice the massively different dynamics down there

for you non sinophiles, guangxi is heavily zhuang, china's largest ethnic group which is more thai ethnicity than chinese - their language actually uses an alphabet

you see signs here all over guangxi where they are in both languages



by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

but very clearly the answer is kick them the **** out of universities and work places

When I first read this, I thought "Why are they blocking the use of Jews?"

by Dunyain

Its the same map.


Guy,

Where do you get the time to think about all of this? Your post yesterday would take me about 2-3h to write and I would probably get half of it wrong.
If I have to spend that much time, I focus on what is going to earn me $ or keep me alive and healthy longer.


by mindflayer

Guy,

Where do you get the time to think about all of this? Your post yesterday would take me about 2-3h to write and I would probably get half of it wrong.
If I have to spend that much time, I focus on what is going to earn me $ or keep me alive and healthy longer.

He seems to be doing well $ wise in terms of the lane he's in anyway. And, as for being healthy, perhaps except for whatever "minimal" gear he's on, not sure how someone can be healthier? Maybe being slightly fatter is healthier? I'm honestly not super sure - probably not.

So, all that leaves is f2p gacha and essays for public consumption.


My question is why are you so interested in dating imbalances?

Surely you don’t feel burned by them?


by feel wrath

My question is why are you so interested in dating imbalances?

Surely you don’t feel burned by them?

I want to refrain from China political content for obvious reasons. 35 million extra men in marriage aged range, extremely stacked dating and marriage market, low immigration and sizeable female dominated emigration, wants to reclaim territory that the us considers strategically important, easily brainwashed population who will blame foreigners for anything, nuclear armed. Do you see now why this is literally a matter of ww3 prevention? Good luck getting those guys to catch bullets on the coast of the island if their balls are sufficiently drained.


by mindflayer

Guy,

Where do you get the time to think about all of this? Your post yesterday would take me about 2-3h to write and I would probably get half of it wrong.
If I have to spend that much time, I focus on what is going to earn me $ or keep me alive and healthy longer.

Longer post later, but foreign males are getting death threats and harassment if they are seen on dating apps or social media if people know they have Chinese gfs or wives. This didn't exist 5 years ago. It's escalating at a crazy pace . So yes, this problem of male disadvantage in Chinese dating market and keeping an eye on it can have a big influence on my decisions long term.


I am by no means an expert on the subject, so this could be completely wrong. But with its demographic collapse, breakdown of international trade, and some very questionable political decisions China could be in a world of hurt moving forward. And when things go bad, foreigners/minorities tend to be blamed. I hope for the best or you, but being a foreigner in China things might get a little rocky moving forward.


by Dunyain

I am by no means an expert on the subject, so this could be completely wrong. But with its demographic collapse, breakdown of international trade, and some very questionable political decisions China could be in a world of hurt moving forward. And when things go bad, foreigners/minorities tend to be blamed. I hope for the best or you, but being a foreigner in China things mi

I was going to write a wall of text on just this apect, but yes this is exactly correct and it's already happening. I deactivated my online dating profile months ago over privacy concerns. Chinese tinder tantan has a feature where you share posts publicly similar to an old school 2012 facebook post. If you refuse to interact with this element, your profile gets nuked hard in the algo. But it opens you to public comments. The "how dare you take our chinese women, go back to your home country foreign trash" comments started piling up. Chinese incel guys even started making fake profiles of very attractive black men who have never even been in China and posting heavily trying to see what Chinese girls leave positive comments then sending their online hordes to go harass those Chinese women for expressing interest in a foreign black catfish. I'm not perceived as black by the average Chinese person, I'm perceived as "a tan white man" because the concept of Latin America doesn't even exist in most of their minds (nevermind the fact that I have almost no spanish or indigenous genetics and am basically entirely northern european and west african genetically).

Now a wall of text on other related things

A friend of mine who was not even on a dating platform but just our equivalent of tiktok where he makes videos flexxing his local dialect speaking skills had one private message saying "I know you live in xyz community (the name of his neighborhood) and I saw you and your wife+baby yesterday evening... I wanted to go do kong fu on you, but you are too strong. Next time I will bring a hammer." This is someone who literally knows where he lives.... It's pure racial hatred. It's not like a large portion of the "racist" right wingers in America where they generally are very accepting of integrated and "statistically" well behaved immigrants (look at how many far right "ethno"-nationalists have Asian or Latina wives). This is purely racial as he's among the most integrated dudes in the country and one of probably single digits worth of western foreigners who is fluent in that particular Chinese alternative local language (we refer to these as dialects, but they are often mutually unintelligible parallel languages with the same grammar and writing but completely different words and pronunciations).

These people are NOT thinking like Jared Taylor, people at that shitty virginia "they will not replace us" march, 2016 era Richard Spencer, etc... no... these people are the Chinese equivalent of The Turner Diaries. In my morbid curiosity I perused the book... there's a scene called "the day of the rope" in which the "heroes" hang all whites who are in interracial relationships, jews, bankers, and politicians for treason publicly. What these people want in China is complete expulsion or extermination of all foreigners and probably also jailing/killing Chinese women who are "race traitors". They don't think "immigration is good but we need to be selective and allow it from certain countries with well behaved non-Chinese and prioritize Asian immigration because they can assimilate better"... no, it is "The Non-Chinese are a collective inferior scum race and it's an abomination that our women would ever breed with them. I'd rather the 130 IQ 36 year old PHD grad female breed with an 89 IQ rural Chinese 5'2 guy than her foreign equivalent even though the foreign equivalent has genes that will enrich chinese society to a much greater extent". No, it's just a fundamentally different way of thinking. The harder the dating market is, the more they will externalize the problem to "foreigners taking our women" rather than examining how numerically that doesn't hold up given just how few foreign males live in the country overall... car accidents are taking more of your women than foreign men in China.

This is a big difference between the incelosphere of the west where they (often correctly) internalize the problem. "Women's true selection criteria are skull shape/facial features, height, and race. Going back to the 1950s is useless because it's just loveless betabux relationships anyway. I'm ugly and too lazy to surgerymax or moneymax, I'm just going to LDAR". There's some elements of truth to that viewpoint, even if it crumbles under deeper scrutiny and is a vast oversimplification. They Asian incel? Whether Chinese or Korean, is way more likely to blame feminism or society or ANYTHING but themselves. It's okay to "blame" yourself but also realize that parts of yourself that prevented you from succeeding in this domain were outside of your control. But fundamentally men in Asian cultures just don't really think this way.

I am not poor but I still have compassion for poor people and think that even in cases when poverty is their own fault, they are entitled to a few basic essentials and having some of their important needs met. It's okay to have compassion for low status men collectively. Status is a zero sum game and SOMEBODY needs to be at the bottom; no matter how much men individually pulled themselves up and ascended past their low status, there will still be low status men by definition, and yeah it's kind of unfair if a lot of their fundamental needs aren't met. Men need women badly, much more than women need men. Red pill grifters would have you believe the opposite. An increasingly larger portion of society, an increasingly large portion of young men, are not having their needs met by the current system and this is both a problem by itself but also leads to an arguably even more important problem of population shrinkage, which can and has lowered the quality of life for future generations. Mindflayer and feelwrath fundamentally grew up in a world where their youth wasn't marked by such "romantic scarcity" and so they have difficulty understanding this from no first hand experience, so it's perplexing to them that I care about this because they are probably underestimating how much the experience of adolescence has changed for the worse.

Now, the whole "back in the kitchen", talk, much to my dismay, is unscientific nonsense as Dunyain points out. China/Japan/Korea have no such government mandated female favoritisim, yet they're still seeing women walk away from marriage markets and practice wide-spread WGTOW. The fact is, in the information economy, they are collectively kind of biologically superior to men for a lot of the skills that matter in our modern age and the things men are biologically superior at have increasingly less relevance. The fact is, female dating market advantage and falling birthrates are a giant multifactorial puzzle where any given factor can have disparate impacts upon a given society due to how vast cultural, historical, and genetic differences are between nations and societies.

That said, if I can be less edgy, there are a handful of things that do seem to matter universally: 1. Mobile technology has just reduced face to face interaction and the romantic unions produced by it seem less stable and strong by definition of increasing the optionality of both parties. Even beyond dating apps, just having more digital interaction and more time spent in the online as opposed to the real world reduces in person socialization overall, moves status games we play IRL online in what appear to be very destructive and mentally unhealthy ways, and cause just way less formation of romantic unions and pair bonds. 2. Urbanization, population density and living in high rises. It's probably something deep in our animalistic brains that just kills the urge to reproduce when we are packed in like sardines. 3. High levels of income inequality.

Beyond that, it's really quite an individualistic problem with respect to each country. The things that drive fertility collapse in North Korea are completely separate to what drives fertility collapse in Italy overall.

A few more notes: I'm an educator. I've watched several friends who were kindergarten teachers lose their jobs and watch their employers shut down because of low enrollment because there just weren't as many people being born 3-5 years ago as we'd hoped. I'd be blind to say this won't affect me in another decade when suddenly the number of high school kids is 3/4th of what it was today. What will this do to demand for people in my profession, salaries, and job opportunities? Could this potentially get me to expediate a transition into a fitness related career? The more unfavorable dating market conditions are, the less babies being born. I need those babies to be born now to have continued employment in 15 years. My experience only "counts" in places like the middle east, African continent Myanmar, China... it is largely worthless in the most desirable places to live like Thailand, Latin America, or Switzerland.

Guys, humanity will not stay around forever. If this problem continues, we literally go extinct. The normal self-correcting dynamics of human population have been disrupted by new developments in culture, government, and technology. It'd be pretty nihilistic to just not care about the thing that may cause the end of humanity.

Finally, as you're probably implicitly accusing me of, you are right. It wasn't more than around a decade ago I was in a similar situation. OFC I'm going to be extra compassionate to men who are in the same spot I was back then. That's okay and doesn't make me bad or motivated for "the wrong reason".


2:18 to 3:35

Nihilism can be comical. In fact if you examine the entire short 4 minute interview, you couldn't describe mike as "nihilistic" in a broader context, yet that short section stands out. Went totally viral 5 months ago for good reason.


by The Yugoslavian

He seems to be doing well $ wise in terms of the lane he's in anyway. And, as for being healthy, perhaps except for whatever "minimal" gear he's on, not sure how someone can be healthier? Maybe being slightly fatter is healthier? I'm honestly not super sure - probably not.

So, all that leaves is f2p gacha and essays for public consumption.

quit star rail. The entirety of the 2.0 to 2.7 patch and it's single player story had some of the best writing and storytelling I've seen in a video game literally ever, and even more shockingly so for a Gacha. Abstract, philosophical, metaphysical, oscillating perfectly between elation and melancholy, dream-like, immersive, human, mythical, indirect and open to interpretation, existential... not what I'd have expected from the same company that produced the flaming trash heap that was the Genshin Impact "story". The 3.0 patch is a giant regression low effort cash grab meant to sell characters and feels like it was written by middle schoolers. I don't interact with the gacha elements and just liked playing a well written and fun single player turn based rpg.

I'm onto Clair Obscur Expedition 33 (single player, no gacha) and it is one of the most interesting turn based RPGs I've ever played.

I probably should be sub-stacking this ****. Maybe I will. Don't even charge for anything just put it out there since there's an audience for it.


liek... whoa dude


Few thoughts:

1) I recently came across something about folks who are white supremacist adjacent. This would describe folks like Guy or me, which I found abjectly funny since despite society likely functioning better if we moved back to OG democracy (land owning white males), I believe both of us should actually have a voice in society. It was a weird mix of paternalism and cognitive dissonance that we are unable to think for ourselves and can't accept that my similarities to rich yuppie white people are vastly greater than to the poor black people in the ghetto.
2) A lack of integration is a real problem. I'll likely never learn the local language to a passable level, but is that actually integration? Can the townies ever really fit in with the mainstream educated urban culture? When you're visibly a member of "not here" what are the limits to societal integration especially when it comprises an ethno nationalist component?
3) The urbanism thing is pretty wild. I live in a walkable pedestrian area, I ride public transit and I plan to leave cause it kinda blows ass. There is a theater nearby that hosts world class companies/troupes or whatever its called. Never went. Probably never will. In a weird twist, when I actually interacted with a bunch of the "elites" who ranted about the benefits of 15min cities, shockingly none of them actually live in anything approximating a 15min city, despite there being a variety of places where this is achievable. But somehow they've cucked an entire generation of derps to parrot this message as some sort of bizzaro utopia. This is all the more amusing considering my main focus on RE development is essentially suburban sprawl where we build homes for people who want to get out of the city and drive their car in. Probably because this is where people actually want to live and the amount of money you can make is a ton more. Try interacting with a few and explaining you want your own piece of grass (even if its just a row house) and enjoy using a grill on it.


It's hilarious that we can both be correctly described as "white supremacist adjacent" despite not being even remotely white supremacist nor being full white (and in your case, not even part white? but I don't know), but the overton windows has shifted to such an extent than anything shy of reality denying progressive shiboleths or acceptance realism about IQ, behaviour, criminality, and racial correlations is now "white supremacist adjacent".

Basically any contradiction of blank slatism is "white supremacist adjacent" now, despite ample scientific evidence.


by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

Longer post later, but foreign males are getting death threats and harassment if they are seen on dating apps or social media if people know they have Chinese gfs or wives. This didn't exist 5 years ago. It's escalating at a crazy pace . So yes, this problem of male disadvantage in Chinese dating market and keeping an eye on it can have a big influence on my decisions long term

sometime around 2015 or so i'd guess there was a thing where young chinese males (probably neets or incels) would patrol beijing late at night and viciously assault any foreigner they saw who was with a chinese woman

was pretty rampant and in a search seems like it's still going on



and of course the chinese infiltrated the comments






about once or twice a year some old chinese person would call some chinese woman i was walking with a whore or try to spit on her or something because she was walking with me

i had female work colleagues who i was never romantic with and got along with really well with suddenly tell me they couldn't be seen with me anymore because people were calling her horrible names

chinese internet is extremely nationalist and leans heavily into conspiracy theories - everything is the fault of foreigners

western men are disgusting hairy apes - unevolved barbarians closer to cavemen than a modern distinguished chinese gentleman who can recite poety that is 2,000 years old

western women are all whores who have "towel skin" and "plastic bag vaginas"

everything bad is the fault of the us government and westerners conspiring against china

the great firewall isn't stopping the chinese from embracing freedom - it's protecting the rest of the world from interacting with millions of incel trolls who hate us all

while dating in asia as a white guy is definitely "easy mode" it's much more about the language and cultural barrier hiding your flaws

she can't tell how awkward you are because it's hidden
she doesn't realize how dumb you are
she doesn't realize how ugly you are because you look so different (much how we find many asians that they objectively find ugly attractive)

in fact, the majority of chinese women want nothing to do with dating a foreigner, but those who are into it have very few options available so tend to just kind of take what is available and the majority of chinese women who date foreigners either come from extreme poverty or they themselves have lived or studied abroad and have become a bit westernized prior to that which is why it's acceptable for them


by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

. Mindflayer and feelwrath fundamentally grew up in a world where their youth wasn't marked by such "romantic scarcity" and so they have difficulty understanding this from no first hand experience, so it's perplexing to them that I care about this because they are probably underestimating how much the experience of adolescence has changed for the worse.
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Not sure how this thread got turned into relationships and China.. but here goes.

Covid, technology, porn, only fans, feminism, dating apps, contraceptives, Roe V. Wade, .. all pushed long term stable relationships in the wrong direction.
We are turning into the world described by Huxley in 'Brave new World'

When I went to grade school:
I walked home from grade school (by myself) when I was 7 years old. (4 blocks)
my mom always told me .. eat everything on your plate, because there are people starving in China.
Most girls took Home Economics in high school (Men earned and women controlled the family finances because there were usually so many kids.)
families in my generation typically had 2-4 kids. I have 1 sister and 2 brothers.
My father had 6 kids in his generation, my mother 7, my wife's mother 8, wife's father 9 kids in the family!
I have 2 kids, (mid 20's) most of my friends have 1-2 kids. Of say 25 couples in my peer group, I can only think of 2 couples that have 3kids or more. Many have 1
I wore hand me down clothes, (Pants) taken in and then let out. (When you have 1 kid, everything is new, when you have 4 kids, and no welfare you need home economics)
Getting a divorce was unusual and stigmatized.
Porn = playboy magazine.
We used rotary phones, and I carried a dime in case I needed to use a public phone.
I never had a cellphone until i was finished university and working for many years.
I do not have or use any social media accounts. (I have a face book account, but have not posted anything in 15years and have 10 friends!)

Now, the only relationship advice I give my kids is to go out and meet there friends in person on a regular basis, especially in group settings (hiking, vollyball etc.)
They need facetime to make up all of that lost covid time to work and improve personal skills. Also group settings takes the pressure off.


by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

An increasingly larger portion of society, an increasingly large portion of young men, are not having their needs met by the current system and this is both a problem by itself but also leads to an arguably even more important problem of population shrinkage, which can and has lowered the quality of life for future generations. Mindflayer and feelwrath fundamentally grew up in

what I don't understand is why this is a bigger problem now? and relatedly which this makes WW3 more likely. I must admit to never watching the videos so maybe I missed a key point but......if the premises are that

1. the bottom (approx) 20% of men in attractiveness terms are left behind in the dating game and

2. the world has a growing population shortage

surely this would mean it's less of a problem now but there are fewer 'no pussy getters' growing up than there were a few decades ago?

or are you saying that fewer arranged marriages and more female mobility and options due to growing middle class, more travel, more work etc are making it more likely that unattractive men are unmarried?

If that's the argument then surely we're just changing the types of unattractive men who are unmarried? ie arranged marriages would still have excluded unsuitable men....just a different type of unsuitable ones to the ugly or poor ones being excluded today?


by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

It's hilarious that we can both be correctly described as "white supremacist adjacent" despite not being even remotely white supremacist nor being full white (and in your case, not even part white? but I don't know), but the overton windows has shifted to such an extent than anything shy of reality denying progressive shiboleths or acceptance realism about IQ, behaviour, crimin

I'm half white. I also find my views on immigration get ridiculed by a bunch of people who really have no idea what being an immigrant is like since they obviously never expatriated.

There isn't a cool term to listen to a bunch of people rant about your fact based views on "asylum seekers", but that is another conversation that really gets the people with uber low self-awareness going. But Yurop has like 7% of the illegal alien issue that the US has, but also has a massive issue with "asylum seekers" not actually seeking asylum. I think over half were "unaccounted for" within the first year and I'm sure that number eventually skyrocketed. A decent number moved back to their home country since you know... asylum seeking.

by feel wrath

what I don't understand is why this is a bigger problem now? and relatedly which this makes WW3 more likely. I must admit to never watching the videos so maybe I missed a key point but......if the premises are that 1. the bottom (approx) 20% of men in attractiveness terms are left behind in the dating game and 2. the world has a growing population shortagesurely this would me

It is society being comfortable with women being whores and the resulting implications.


by feel wrath

what I don't understand is why this is a bigger problem now? and relatedly which this makes WW3 more likely. I must admit to never watching the videos so maybe I missed a key point but......if the premises are that 1. the bottom (approx) 20% of men in attractiveness terms are left behind in the dating game and 2. the world has a growing population shortagesurely this would me

Your questions have been answered both in videos and in my posts. That said, there's dozens of pages of just my own posts on the subject in just the past few months, and they are often disorganized stream of consciousness Finnegan's Wake gibberish. I offer a condensed version of the explanation along with a 16 minute video with more specific details and data.

Your interpretation is completely wrong. Men age out of the sexual marketplace much more slowly than women; a shrinking population means fertile aged women represent a much smaller % of the population. The problem then becomes self reinforcing. Historically, men died earlier and often due to war, less safe working conditions, violent crime, etc. Modernity has profoundly improved human flourishing in many ways, but combined with low birth rates, fertile aged women represent a diminishingly smaller % of the population overall, leading to sky high "implicit" (or sometimes explicit) prices in marriage and sexual marketplaces in which an increasingly large % of men do not meet the minimum threshold. The main "thesis" that got me to finally stop blaming feminism was that this increased scarcity is ultimately more responsible for female advantage and societal changes than changes in the legal system, technology, or culture. And this is evidenced by Japan/Korea where there's relatively little political feminism or even active cultural patriarchy, yet they're facing the same or even more severe gender hostility and mutual romantic frustration. So no "back in the kitchen, roll back DEI" is a troll rather than any real solution.

Why is this important for China and ww3 risk: You have the above problems compounded with 35 million surplus males in the marriageable age range. You have a much stronger cultural pressure toward marriage and having kids to "carry on the family legacy" (Mike Tyson would be disgusted). You have a population prone to nationalism, pride, and saving face. You have an unfinished civil war (sorry, western media lied. Taiwan isn't a country exactly). You have changes in the structure of government going back to around 2017-18 that has made the country less of a "totalitarianism but with checks and balances" system to a "autocratic dictatorship" system, removing a lot of the intertia and potential internal resistance to a Taiwan invasion. You have a collapsing housing market and potentially very hard to fix structural macroeconomic problems. You have a relatively more nationalistic leader in charge who is around 70 years old and the clock is ticking on him "leaving a legacy" as the glorious leader who finally had the strength to reuinfy the mainland and Taiwan by force.

If men in this country were doing something they gave a **** about, could see their material well being increasing over time, had somebody to stick their dick into, and had kids to provide for and hope that these offspring would inherit a more prosperous future, it would be impossible to convince them to go storm the beaches of Taiwan, especially given that even a very dumb person realizes that casualties from both an initial invasion and starvation across the mainland would be in the hundreds of millions. But when they have nothing to hope for, no wives, kinda shitty upward mobility, a broken social contract on education moving one into the middle class and gaining social status, western foreigners both in their country and overseas being much more popular with their women than they are (in their perception, in reality... maybe not on average, once income and height are controlled for), and a fairly effective media machine reinforcing what they already believe about westerners, and convincing them to go to war over Taiwan becomes much easier. Macroeconomic conditions turning very negative, income/wealth inequality, a perception of low economic mobility, and low trust in government and institutions rationally predict protests and revolutions. But if you can mobilize the population toward a foreign enemy (America and Co conspiring with separatists forces in Taiwan to humiliate the Chinese nation), you can redirect that energy toward something more "productive" (from the perspective of government and the elites).

Biden said in very clear terms he would support Taiwan in the event of an invasion. This would cause a high probability of WWIII. Much more likely than it initiating over Ukraine/Russia due to Ukraine relatively much lower strategic and economic importance to the world economy. I'm unsure what trump's position is or if it even matters because it's likely that enough of the US government would figure out a way to start a war and get involved.

These things are incredibly obvious to me which is why my initial post was more vague and coded. Technically I should probably refrain from posting it in such explicit terms, but I realize a typical British guy is not going to be plugged into the America/China geopolitical situation.

That said, I more or less agree that mainland China's claim to Taiwan is legitimate. The place has never formally declared independence and this is an unfinished civil war from 75~ years ago. The USA should absolutely stay out of this and suffer a few years/a decade of much lower semiconductor output. That's exactly why they're building a TSMC factory in my home state...

on the numbers with demographic and fertile aged female scarcity with good visuals and clear explanations. You will not find huge incel populations in polygamous African societies with very high birth rates or in a place like The Philippines where the average age is incredibly low. Think about that... a society can literally have polygamy but if birth rates are high enough, it ends up working out and no incels because there are more women being born in subsequent generations than are being made unavailable in polygamous marriage. It's not b/c feminism; it's because of average population age too facking old and not enough young women as a % of the overall population:

Society using excess male populations for war/disposing of excess men through war is nothing new. Muslim suicide bombers, vikings... this is not some red pill bullshit grifter nonsense, just an empirical historical phenomenon.

If you want to participate in this discussion, even to ask questions, I'd appreciate actually engaging with the content, even if you understandably find my posting style chaotic and difficult to follow. Consider this a minor warning. I do expect my readers have the attention span and patience to watch 10-60 minute videos about a topic they care enough to ask me questions about.


oh I worked out lol

Arms+lower
ez curl/db skullcrusher/db prone delt raise: 3 rounds

Leg extensions: 48.75kgx30, 15, 15, (30 is a pr I think)
lying ham curls: 46kgx22 (pr? forgot), 9, 13
paused rdl: 125kgx15 easier than last time's 120
FFESS: 12.5kgx12x2 no rest between sets on each leg. Skipped third set, need heart rate to not asplode.

That's a wrap.

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