RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

I believe this guy is going to need his own thread.

14 February 2025 at 09:30 PM
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by Didace

That's why all of your ideas are flawed. Life isn't a zero sum game.

not all life is 0 sum.

but the part that is, is 0 sum. and in every one of those games you have a moral imperative to play to win (in my moral model).

in jchristo model you have to deny and dodge 0 sum games as if they were the pestilence, or play horribly suboptimal strategies because of a deficient moral framework (and get raped by the rational players).

winning 0 sum games IS MORAL for me.

apparently lockdowns were 0 sum in some sense, according to jchristo, because if others lock down you avoid the flu even if you don't.

buying that as true (which isn't obvious), the response should be "then those who didn't lock down were even smarted and freerode over the stupidity of others".

not that "we are all in this together".


by Luciom

It's you who denies it's consequences.

The rational solution in a PD is to defect, ESPECIALLY if others are dumb enough not to for ideological reasons

The rational solution to a PD with a fixed number of iterations is to defect. The rational solution to a PD with an unknown/infinite number of iterations can be to cooperate and I would argue most of life is much more accurately modelled by that than by a fixed number of iterations. Cooperation by groups of animals is often understood in terms of iterated PD and this cooperation exists in nature because of situtations where cooperation is more beneficial than defection in this iterated PD model.


by Willd

The rational solution to a PD with a fixed number of iterations is to defect. The rational solution to a PD with an unknown/infinite number of iterations can be to cooperate and I would argue most of life is much more accurately modelled by that than by a fixed number of iterations. Cooperation by groups of animals is often understood in terms of iterated PD and this cooperatio

COVID lockdowns and CO2 emissions are clear example of one-off occurrences.

it might be decades/centuries until a completely novel disease appears again with a risky enough profile to warrant global coordination, and CO2 emissions are going to become irrelevant a few decades from now either way because of AI and technology advancement in general: we either will be able to easily reduce emissions at little cost or we will have mich bigger problems to care about anyway.

but ye in completely different scenarios, especially when the defecting payoff is small and you expect to play tens of times or more, you can try various cooperative efforts (and then defect anyway because others will not cooperate truthfully usually)


by Luciom

not all life is 0 sum.but the part that is, is 0 sum. and in every one of those games you have a moral imperative to play to win (in my moral model).in jchristo model you have to deny and dodge 0 sum games as if they were the pestilence, or play horribly suboptimal strategies because of a deficient moral framework (and get raped by the rational players).winning 0 sum games IS M

small minded fool


by Luciom
by Didace

That's why all of your ideas are flawed. Life isn't a zero sum game.

not all life is 0 sum.but the part that is, is 0 sum. and in every one of those games you have a moral imperative to play to win (in my moral model).in jchristo model you have to deny and dodge 0 sum games as if they were the pestilence, or play horribly suboptimal strategies because of a deficient moral framew

As you say, in YOUR moral model.
Like your view of family, etc...

And it's not by spamming random forums all day that you make your vision more right.
Doesn't it annoy you that almost no one shares your beliefs?
Doesn't it alert you something's wrong?

You built an entirely arbitrary system to feed in your racist genocidal fascistic traits, and justify every one of them by furter and further circonvoluting arguments.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr will require all new vaccines to undergo placebo testing, WaPo reports
By Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...

April 30 (Reuters) - U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr intends to shift the way vaccines are tested, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday, citing a spokesperson from the HHS.
The potential change would require all new vaccines to undergo placebo testing - a procedure in which some people receive the vaccine and others receive an inert substance - before the results are compared, the paper said.

To be clear, this is an ethical violation, and he is making it policy.

We've discussed in this forum before that exposing some to excessive risk is unethical. It is a violation of clinical equipoise to have placebo testing when there is already a standard, effective treatment/preventative. This is precisely why having an unqualified moron in charge of health is a bad idea. He literally doesn't understand even basic medical concepts like equipoise.

This is yet another decision of his that will literally kill people, including children.

(for clarity, because a lot of people are only familiar with covid's vaccine studies, they did use placebos because there was no other choice for the control arm. Once a preventative/treatment exists, THAT becomes the control arm for future studies, not just doing without any protection, ie placebos)


hard to make america healthy again when we can't run anymore because it's bad for the environment and white privilege


by housenuts

hard to make america healthy again when we can't run anymore because it's bad for the environment and white privilege

by checkraisdraw

Tim Walz is not a radical leftists, he’s a sensible guy with a middle class background who enacted wildly popular social democratic policies in his state. He’s the exact type of person the Dems should embrace, competent leaders with a plan that get things done.

by tame_deuces

Fwiw; I agree with your original post as well. Tim Walz is pretty much exactly the type of politician a lot of Americans claim to be looking for.

going to continue to pretend that walz isn't a zealot?


No clue why you felt compelled to duplicate this really bad post across two threads

by coordi

Did you watch the video?You might be shocked to learn that Housenuts is misrepresenting the video. I have no clue what an apolitical Canadian here for lols is doing misrepresenting videos to push political agendas but I'm befuddled every day with these peopleShe states that having access to time, equipment, nutrition, and mental stability is a privilege. She then states that


by coordi

No clue why you felt compelled to duplicate this really bad post across two threads

dual conversations, separate threads

don't see why it's a bad post

we've had a lot of people pretending walz is just a meat and potatoes salt of the earth kinda guy but no, he's indoctrinating his children into making jogging a thought crime


by rickroll

he's indoctrinating his children into making jogging a thought crime

I don't think I've ever seen a worse summary of a video. Jfc



by rickroll

dual conversations, separate threads

don't see why it's a bad post

we've had a lot of people pretending walz is just a meat and potatoes salt of the earth kinda guy but no, he's indoctrinating his children into making jogging a thought crime

Teaching your kids to appreciate something as simple as running is about as meat and potatoes salt of the earth as it gets.

I have no clue where you are getting this jogging is a thought crime nonsense but its really weird


by coordi

Teaching your kids to appreciate something as simple as running is about as meat and potatoes salt of the earth as it gets.

I have no clue where you are getting this jogging is a thought crime nonsense but its really weird

My best guess is someone told him what the video was about (lied to him) and now that's all he can think about while listening to the words she's saying that have absolutely nothing to do with that.

But yeah, it comes off REALLY f-ing weird.


by coordi

Teaching your kids to appreciate something as simple as running is about as meat and potatoes salt of the earth as it gets.

I have no clue where you are getting this jogging is a thought crime nonsense but its really weird

watch the video where she says jogging is political because it's a privilege

that's an 11 on the libtard scale


by rickroll

watch the video where she says jogging is political because it's a privilege

that's an 11 on the libtard scale

You can't argue with libtards.


by housenuts

You can't argue with libtards.

Rickrolls description of the video quite literally has zero connection to yours and its infinitely more accurate so not sure why you dont feel embarrassment right now

by rickroll

watch the video where she says jogging is political because it's a privilege

that's an 11 on the libtard scale

Literally everything has been politicized. Stabbing a kid in the chest is political. Calling a 5 year old the n word is political. Youth basketball has been politicized. Volleyball is politics.

Have either of you heard about this Riley Gaines swimmer person?

Did either of you hear Scott Bessen talk about dolls? They want to control every aspect of your life so that everyone is little obedient ******ed republicans

Its politics all the way down top to bottom


There is also very clearly some context being lost here because shes talking about a specific thing that happened that involved someone in the running influencer industry making a political statement about or using her dad


RFK's df pick for surgeon general is a quack with no active medical license because she never finished her residency.

Par for the course.


I think they need to rename the position because Surgeon General implies a board certified physician. Any suggestions?


by housenuts

hard to make america healthy again when we can't run anymore because it's bad for the environment and white privilege

What office is she running for?


by AquaSwing

I think they need to rename the position because Surgeon General implies a board certified physician. Any suggestions?

Surgeon Corporal


by wet work

What office is she running for?

Privilege Police


So they're laying people off and cutting funding for actual useful medical research but are going to go all out to try to find out the cause of autism.

So ridiculous - autism isn't even a disease, and it's barely even a medical condition. It's just a spectrum that everyone is on, and almost certainly has no real cause in nearly all cases, other than the genetic lottery.

This is like trying to find the cause of shortness.


by chillrob

So they're laying people off and cutting funding for actual useful medical research but are going to go all out to try to find out the cause of autism.So ridiculous - autism isn't even a disease, and it's barely even a medical condition. It's just a spectrum that everyone is on, and almost certainly has no real cause in nearly all cases, other than the genetic lottery.This is l

Well autistic people can never pay taxes or write poems or go on dates

Basically a national emergency, so says the environmental lawyer with a broken voicebox


by StoppedRainingMen

Well autistic people can never pay taxes or write poems or go on dates

Basically a national emergency, so says the environmental lawyer with a broken voicebox

Don't forget the brain worm!

He should be trying to find the cause of that.

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