2/5NL – Hero folds AA facing turn jam

2/5NL – Hero folds AA facing turn jam

Background:

This is a follow-up hand from the same loose-passive rec who got me the day before.

In that hand, I had KJo on the button, raised over a limp, and got 4-way to a K T 4 flop. She (SB) donk-bet $60 into ~$95 — which felt super strong, as she had been block-betting weak earlier (like $10–$15). I called, and she jammed turn for ~$215 into ~$215, and I called. She showed KQ and I lost. In hindsight, I realized it was probably a fold vs this player type — recs who suddenly bet big often just have it, and this one wasn’t the bluffing kind.

Next day, I play a hand vs her again:

Hero (covers) opens AdAh to $20 in MP over a limp
Villain (SB, $125 stack) calls
BB ($400) calls
Limper folds

Flop ($65): K T 8
Villain donk-bets $20
BB raises to $50
Hero flats
Villain calls

Turn ($215): J
Villain shoves $180
BB tank-folds
Hero ???

Thoughts:

• Her flop donk this time is much smaller than her previous $60 into $95, which might suggest she’s weaker than when she had top pair/top kicker yesterday.

• Still, she’s shown a pattern: passive-passive-passive → suddenly bets big with strength.

• Turn brings in Q9/AQ/KJ/JT, and she could definitely have it.

• I block AdXd draws, and it’s hard to find bluffs in her range.

• Even though I’m near the top of my range here, it felt like another spot where recs just don’t bluff enough — and she in particular had just shown that yesterday.

I ended up cryfolding AA.

Would you ever call here against a player like this? Or is this one of those spots where it’s okay to be exploitatively tight and save the $180?

25 April 2025 at 08:38 PM
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I think you messed up the stack sizes. She initially had 125$ then on the turn all of sudden he has 180 behind?

Anyhow, we are probably snap folding on turn.

You only beat JQ/KQ/TQ or Qxdd type hands. Which might or might not be in her range. Which still has alot of equity vs your hand.

I'm more inclined to believe she overvalues hands like TJ/K type hands when she donk shoves.

If she truly is passive, then she shouldn't be donk shoving draws+pair or combo draws on turn.

If she is aggro donk, then that's another case. But in my player pool, most players are aggro donks. They donk super wide, as wide as bottom pair in multiway pot, then barrel off on turn+river.


by 6betfold

Background:This is a follow-up hand from the same loose-passive rec who got me the day before.In that hand, I had KJo on the button, raised over a limp, and got 4-way to a K T 4 flop. She (SB) donk-bet $60 into ~$95 — which felt super strong, as she had been block-betting weak earlier (like $10–$15). I called, and she jammed turn for ~$215 into ~$215, and I called. She showed K

I would reclick the flop here so we take the betting lead and fold out hands that have some pretty good equity, i would just go like 100sh bc of stack depth. I think its often just top pair type hand that raises the flop for this size on a wet dynamic board. Sets and 2p just wanna put the pedal to the floor on this texture so I’m discounting those from either player. As played probably just folding turn although we might have close enough equity to make the call, its probably not losing too much as long as your opponent doesnt have set or straight.


by btcwinner88

I would reclick the flop here so we take the betting lead and fold out hands that have some pretty good equity, i would just go like 100sh bc of stack depth. I think its often just top pair type hand that raises the flop for this size on a wet dynamic board. Sets and 2p just wanna put the pedal to the floor on this texture so I’m discounting those from either player. As played

Yeah I figured maybe reraising flop min is best.. if BB calls, we just shut down right?


agree with above, you should definitely be attacking that down bet flop size more with both semi-bluff hands as low equity as J9 w/ a bdfd say but also value like AA.

and then I agree with easing up especially with that turn. I'd probably still call a river bet up to 50% pot though, maybe slightly larger but 75-psb questionable even w/ AA given PF action/likely ranges.


sigh fold too many combos got there on the turn.


Grunch:

PRE - wondering if we shouldn't be opening larger, like 25 or 30, over the one limp, and with her in the blinds. Might be helpful to have some info on BB's tendencies.

FLOP - honestly I think I might just fold facing this action. Her donk into multiple opponents should be better than just TP, and his raise from MP looks super strong.

If we think our hand is still best, then raising seems better than calling, if we're going to fold to a turn barrel.

TURN - seriously the most bizarre line. Never a bluff, unless you're going to tell us she showed QJdd. And even if that's what she had, she has something like 15 outs to beat us.

Nah. I think it's fine to just fold and let her have it. Just take her to value town with small bets in future hands, and over-fold whenever she blasts off.


Call.

Villain can have KQ, maybe AK, and Hero has outs vs 2p.


Playing your hand vs. your range, it's a call.

Playing your hand vs. her assumed range, it's probably a fold.

But I while she's never bluffing I've seen bad players get to the turn and decide that there's less than a pot left and any hand which is going to x/c might as well shove "because it's the same money" ... so their entire checking range is now mostly folding, and all your bluffs are folding ... but it can gain some equity if you start folding hands like this.

So the more you know she's never donk shoving KQ/K9/QdJd/AJ/J9 here, the more I would fold.


We need info on how BB plays, because I'm really wondering why you didn't raise the $50?

FWIW, I probably sigh-call.


by dangomango

I think you messed up the stack sizes. She initially had 125$ then on the turn all of sudden he has 180 behind?

This.

If V started with 125$, then the turn shove is for 55 and it's a snap call.

If V shoved turn for 180, then she started with ~250, and it's much closer.
No clue what she may have tbh, but we are playing 50bb effective and holding AA: calling it off cannot be that bad.

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