What to say to fish who berate you on your play
1/3 NL game, CO standard limper limps, I raise from SB with K9s to 15, BB 3!s to 30, I call. Flop comes KJ9, 2-flush. I check, he bets 40, I checkraise to 140, he calls. Turn is an offsuit 7, I shove for 250 effective, BB calls and mucks when I show. He keeps going on about how he had me crushed preflop with AK. He keeps on about how I raised with K9.
I said sometimes you play badly and get lucky and win. Didn't want to explain his 3! size was bad, that my raise was standard, etc.
I’d say “You’re right. I suck. Just keep on playing your high level game and eventually you will crush me.”
I typically don't say anything.
This type of thing happens a lot. When people get coolered they blame me (or whoever wins the hand) because they are upset and don't know how to deal with their anger and frustration.
I actually am happy when I am criticized in a game (cash or tournament) because it has a chance of catching on with other players.
It happened in the 20/40 LHE game many years ago at FW. I was a regular (Friday through Sunday) and there were over 200 other regulars in that game. I win a big pot after raising pre-flop in EP with a hand like 87s (if I remember correctly). Guy who loses calls me an idiot. Goes on and on about how stupid I am. Calls me an idiot again and I thank him. And he looks at me. I then say "Can I take you out to dinner some time? On me." He says "Not a chance you idiot".
Point is the more everyone else at the table thinks I'm an idiot the better I will do. This is especially true of people who haven't played with me before (which happens a lot in tournaments).
Two days ago at a Venetian $400 Day 1B tournament I raise in CO with A3o. We are close to the bubble. Wild aggro guy who raises disproportionately large amounts calls in the BB. Flop is JT3 two spades which I don't have. He checks I check back. Turn is a 3. He checks I bet 12,000 (my preflop raise size) he c/r to like 42,000 and I quickly jam for about 140,000 by saying "all in" as I put out some large chips. He starts saying "why are you so angry?" and then some more stuff which I wasn't really listening to. And he folds (I was sad really that he didn't have a 3). He then continues to taunt me and call me angry. So I looked at him wondering why he was acting out because he did not know me at all. First time we had ever played together. I had recently been moved to the table and basically hadn't said anything except in a friendly way. And it hits me that he is upset his c/r didn't work and he wants to bait me into a fight. It is even possible he suffers from that syndrome where he acts like I have what he has. So he is angry and accuses me of being angry. So I smile at him. Can't hurt to get him riled up and not thinking straight...
I usually say, "Would you rather I have a better hand next time?"
Sometimes it stuns them.
Sometimes I don't say anything.
Or I agree with them profusely while stacking up the chips, I've somehow able to make that an insult.
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You're right. I'm bad and need to get better... I'll use the money I just won from you to pay for coaching.
i honestly just stay silent. makes them more mad usually lol
It happened in the 20/40 LHE game many years ago at FW. I was a regular (Friday through Sunday) and there were over 200 other regulars in that game. I win a big pot after raising pre-flop in EP with a hand like 87s (if I remember correctly). Guy who loses calls me an idiot. Goes on and on about how stupid I am. Calls me an idiot again and I thank him. And he looks at me.
You got a nostalgic chuckle out of me, Rick. Hope you're well.
Doing OK pokerwise. Life though is tough (Vertigo believe it or not)...
Hope you are well too.
I either just shrug & say nothing, say something along the lines of "sometimes the sun shines on a dogs ass" or if I really don't like them I laugh.
It was suited.
Oh quick story, one night I was playing absolutely poop cards and getting there on a group of guys. They would tell me how bad i was and im stacking the chips. I go to the bathroom and come back and they left while I was gone.
Or so I thought.
The floor called security on them because they openly talked about beating my ass out in the parking lot for my bad play.
I didn't know until cashing out, and the cashier told me.
I tipped that dude a lot that night
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"You're right. Nice hand. Let me buy you a drink."
If I just stacked them, they get a free 30 seconds or so to complain. It's the price of doing business. If they carried on afterwards, it would depend on the person, but my most likely response would be to start needling them.
I thought of this thread last night while playing.....
$1/$3. $500 effective stacks.
A bunch of us (maybe 1/2 the table) are straddling. So it is my UTG straddle to $6. Next player folds. A stereotypical little old lady is next and makes it $12. It is clear she doesn't know there is a straddle on. Two late players call, Big blind calls. I call $6 with 6 4 offsuit in the straddle ($6 into a $54 pot).
$60 pot (before rake) Flop comes 2 3 Q, rainbow.
BB checks, I check. Lady bets $10. Two late players call. BB folds. $90 in the pot, $10 to call, I am getting just short of DIRECT odds to call with a gutshot. I call the $10.
Turn is a 9 completing the rainbow. Before I even get to act the lady throws out $10. So I immediately check. Both late players call. $140 in the pot so I easily call $10.
The river is the beautiful 5c (of course). I have the nuts.
Again, the lady starts to bet before I move, so I quickly check. She bets $25. Next late player makes it $75. Other late players folds. Action to me. I am trying to decide whether to just call to induce the lady to call, raise to get more money into the pot, etc. Basically I am reviewing the hand and deciding how to act.
As I am thinking, the lady starts to push all of her chips forward. I immediately say call $75. She shoves all in for $500. Late player tanks for a long time. Clock is called on him and he eventually folds. I insta-call.
I turn over my 6 4 for the nut straight, she turns over QQ for top set.
She is absolutely pissed that she lost. She slams her hands down on the table and starts mumbling to herself. As I am stacking my chips she says a couple of harsh things under her breath (bad players playing stupid, etc).
I keep quiet for a bit (I like the 30 second rule mentioned above).
Eventually she starts chatting with the man between us. She says she hates playing with new players because they play stupidly and therefore she can't win. He nods and acknowledges her, but you can tell he doesn't want to be involved. There is genuine fear in his eyes.
So I turn to her and say "Maybe you should play with better players, that way you will win more." I let the absurdity of that statement hang out there for a bit. I immediately think of this thread and decide how I want to proceed. Should I try and make it epic or just be nice? I am thinking.
Then she asks me how I can play 6 4 offsuit and call (twice!) with a gutshot? He voice is dripping with contempt.
Thinking about this thread I really want to be sarcastic or utterly stupid, but it is a little old lady.....
Unfortunately my mother's upbringing took over and I have to be respectful of my elders. It has been programmed into me, i can't help it. So I say something like my standard response of "I pay my money so I play my cards like I think best and I felt the 5 was coming".
She says a couple more rude things so I repeat the absurd statement of "Maybe you should play with better players so you can win more."
I wanted to be sarcastic so badly, especially after she was mean, but I couldn't.
I have regrets.
I repeat the absurd statement of "Maybe you should play with better players so you can win more."
I wanted to be sarcastic so badly, especially after she was mean, but I couldn't.
Does sarcastic mean something different than I think it means?
