1/3 We literally have no calling range here?

hold up - so some rando makes it 15, some other drooler calls & you, the biggest ego in the room (or at least on the forums) look down at 32s and go "oooh god, what if the flop doesnt hit me?" and muck?

like wtf are some of ya'll throwin around like its worthy of time and attention if it aint ability and at least a modicum of being able to back up these decisions with substantive arguments online?

cuz im seein a lot of the "respect my game" type 1 liners, but what i'm not seeing is evidence to earn it.

dude, its live poker you see 2 hands every 6 ****in years. you trackin' your stats in a database? you think calling 32s here and ... wait whats the flop again?

oh **** we hit a monster, good god - lucky day oh my stars.

how are we ever gonna get to the river with 32 now?

for ****'s sake ya'll. this is some wild bullshit gettin tossed around on here. if smugly tellin someone "hah, you idiot. i never play 32s preflop, thats STUPID" helps assuage your perpetual financial losses then sure, i'll be your huckleberry but its still gonna be a bumpy ride and immma give everyone **** when they reply with some stupid hallmark platitude of "fold pre" why? your chart said so? howd you get there? or is this only an action taken because you keep reading it elsewhere?

im not advocating 98o here, but until some of ya'll provide some real thought behind the greeting card strat advice imma treat you like you came home from 4th grade excited as hell to start tellin everyone how smart you are now that you know the capital of every state. good job. keep it up.

See if be more inclined to 3bet some other trash suited hands and still limp or cold call in thisncase say, 32 just cuz I don’t wanna inflate the pot with a hand that low in my range. If I’m feeling like I wanna 3bet some trash it’s gonna be suited paint with a low card (K6s eg)

I have trouble developing a limp range as I’m usually raise or 3bet pre more often but as a manner of image presentation at low stakes it helps to just be in some pots sometimes.

Think of it like a loss leader that occasionally profits as long as you can limit the losses/mitigate them and can bluff with it properly when situations arises.

I like the point you’re making tho and I ain’t saying you’re wrong and I’m right.

I am saying, its easy to play and becomes a great bluff combo and I think I said it before but we would be unblocking a lot of natural/expected bluff combos on many runouts.

This is predicated of course on the fact that you feel like you have confident game vs the table and also able to dodge and or pitch when necessary but more importantly, fire off some low equity bluffs.

With a raise and a call at 100bbs sure it’s probably not ideal but I’d rather have 32 than 97s say not that 97 is a clear calll ther either

32s is really bad. You can't even make as many straights as with a normal suited connector, because 432AK and 32AKQ are not straights. You can never make the nut straight, never mind you make low flushes, low 2 pair, etc. Sure you can bluff with 3-high, but you don't make many hands.

Actually, you can make a nut straight with 32s on A45, but your other straight is the bottom on 654. A45 is a great flop for 32s, as you will get action for aces, particularly AA, as well as AK/AQ/AJ/A4s/A5s. However, there are not many good flops for it.

32s has always been considered really bad, much worse than 54s say. Now with solvers and looking at data from trackers for win rates of hands, etc., there is more understanding that low suited connectors are not usually playable.

ok so lemme respond to the above points -

i am not saying 32s in macro sense is a good hand for intrinsic value.

what i am saying is that as part of a "range", it offers value to overall performance.

im going to approach from example of the contrary:

50BBs deep holding AA on a QT844 board, AA is clearly a valuable hand in which shoveling all 50bb into the middle would be expected and ideal at almost any point from preflop to river.

but 500bb deep same hand same runout, AA clearly holds far less intrinsic value here.

So what is the point im trying to make? Hand values are not simply linear nor are they unidirectional.

eg. 500bb deep vs a tight QQ+ AK range on many runouts a suited connector's EV differential is overcome by its likelihood to hit a nutted hand that can shovel in your entire stack on many runouts. Furthermore, the slightly wider calling range in a SRP whether in or out of position even overcomes say the sklansky chubukov scaled valuation of specific hands, or say a raw equity valuation scale that assumes 100bb or less as a comparative measure.

I wouldnt advocate making a habit of overcalling 32 vs opponents who have some modicum of ability in 100bb pots, but I wouldnt consider 32s in the same bucket as say 83o, clear trash, in deeper stack 200bb+ match ups, especially if that modicum of ability is recognition of the non-static valuation changes you must acccount for in these situations.

I saw recently (mightve been an upswing video even) that the differences between 200bb and 400bb is far less than the difference between 100bb and 200bb. I'm not quite sure i am willing to accept that specific conclusion without some more evidence just yet but it is readily obvious and apparent that the shift from 100bb to 200bb+ is not a linear scaled shift across potential ranges.

that said, I dont think there is much purpose in arguing the veracity of preflop range decisions considering the fact that so much of the net loss in EV made by a prelfop decision in SENSIBLE CASES is easily overcome with potential post flop gains due to the magnitude of mistakes made by average 1/3 opponent. Furthermore, those mistakes only compound at a rate (exponential? i dont know, but again i'd want to argue its not just a step up by some constant value factor of 'x') as stack depth increases.

True but there are opponents that are bad enough where it is profitable.

oh quick question tho, just cuz it requires a lot of comments made by me in disparate threads to pull this zinger together - what might be the reason behind your attempt to "hurt my ego" with somethin like this?

fortunately im like a ****in rock dude as far as fragility of sense of self is concerned.

BUT, and here's where maybe you might try to find some lil incongruity of intent but i'll satisfy that in a second* - i AM still very curious about the effort involved in you arriving here with such a quip and maybe even a little bit of why you thought it would be beneficial to the public conversation (external to me even) to take a lil swipe?

do we know each other? did i offend you in the real world and now you clutch opportunity for revenge? like, help me understand your mind set my guy. im just a curious lil fella with a thirst for resolution is all <3

*this wasnt diggin in me post my initial reply but i was just reading through the thread and the random appearance of your contribution and attempt to "make me feel shitty" leapt out a lil bit and so curiosity pinged the failing brain functions i have and just got me wondering about root cause is all 😀