President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by rickroll

my apologies, i must have missed the memo that the very backbone of liberal ideas are staunched in free cosmetic surgery for convicted felons

Do you not understand what "medically necessary" means or are you just trolling


by weeeez

I see.
I'm sure I would never find equivalents elsewhere on the politic spectrum if I had to.
These libs are really ruining your life poor lucy.

I don't know what you mean or what you refer to here.

I am genuinely happy to see liberals embrace free trade. I just hope it isn't a lie they tell pollsters just to signal they are anti-trump though


by Rococo

Actually, now that I think a bit more, my point doesn't even require that the question have been framed as a binary. The root problem is that the question effectively is changing over time because people interpret the question in the context of the actual trade policy that is in place when the question is posed to them.

Yeah. "Can we just go back to how things were a year ago?" is now a very pro free trade position.


by Rococo

Get a grip dude. Quit gobbling up stuff that the outrage algorithm is pumping through your socials. It's just a slice of life story. I'm sure the article wasn't advocating for car break-ins. And no reader would have interpreted the headline that way. You see articles like this all the time that have nothing to do with the paper's political perspective. Here is an article

No algo, i do algo-less social media ( i check the people i care about and what they are talking about in chronological order).

This is the article

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/b...

They don't "advocate for car break ins" , and i didn't claim they did.

And yes the NYT focusing on coal workers as the effect of green policies is equivalently horrendous, when the focus should be on the increase in costs for everyone


by ecriture d'adulte

Yeah. "Can we just go back to how things were a year ago?" is now a very pro free trade position.

can't be that unless they lie or are functionally ******ed, because you can't be both "strongly pro free trade" and like 100% tariffs on chinese EV




by Luciom

can't be that unless they lie or are functionally ******ed, because you can't be both "strongly pro free trade" and like 100% tariffs on chinese EV

You're an idiot if you don't think the definition of free trade has changed in the last year for rando survey participants. No wonder you;re one of the worst data parsers here.


by Luciom

And yes the NYT focusing on coal workers as the effect of green policies is equivalently horrendous, when the focus should be on the increase in costs for everyone

This is another example of you deliberately missing the point.


by FreakDaddy

For those who don't know, Wilkinson is a conservative judge who has been short-listed for a SCOTUS nomination several times in the past.


by Rococo

For those who don't know, Wilkinson is a conservative judge who has been short-listed for a SCOTUS nomination several times in the past.

I wonder what Wilson thinks courts can order potus to do , now that Garcia is outside the country.

I also wonder why no judge evered ordered Biden to facilitate by all means necessary the deportation of all illegals in custody and to stop freeing any of them, which is what the law would entail.

But i suppose dereliction of duty millions of times isn't a constitutional crisis


by Rococo

For those who don't know, Wilkinson is a conservative judge who has been short-listed for a SCOTUS nomination several times in the past.

I'm sure Trump already has tweets calling him a RINO, or whatever other insults he wants to use to ensure he is the one and only true opinion.


by chillrob

Well guys, according to Karl, I am now a woman. What am I supposed to do about it?

Live the life you want and find a group of people that accept you as you are?


by Luciom

No algo, i do algo-less social media ( i check the people i care about and what they are talking about in chronological order).

This is the article

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/b...

They don't "advocate for car break ins" , and i didn't claim they did.

Algo or no, you still got this information from some outrage vendor who was making a bullshit argument (probably knowingly) in the hope that people would respond in exactly the way you did.


by Luciom

I wonder what Wilson thinks courts can order potus to do , now that Garcia is outside the country.

I also wonder why no judge evered ordered Biden to facilitate by all means necessary the deportation of all illegals in custody and to stop freeing any of them, which is what the law would entail.

But i suppose dereliction of duty millions of times isn't a constitutional crisis

We need some wataboutsim song we can play every time this happens.

Trump is paying El Salvador to imprison these people. Have you abandoned all of your mind, and given it over to the cult, that you can't possibly believe Trump could pick up the phone and reverse course on this in an instant?


There was a time when the United States stood tall as a global symbol of freedom, opportunity, and second chances. A country built by immigrants, for immigrants. A place where dreams were not mocked, and desperation was not criminalized.

That America, the land of welcome, the melting pot, the refuge, is being methodically destroyed. And it’s not just politicians or bureaucrats to blame. It’s the everyday people - the average voter, the dinner table pundit, the social media warrior - who cheer on cruelty from the comfort of a recliner and call it “patriotism.”

Let’s be clear, the current immigration policies in the United States go beyond being strict they’re inhumane, punitive, and at times, reminiscent of authoritarian regimes we claim to oppose.

We’ve:

  • Locked up children in cages.

  • Deported asylum seekers into known death zones.

  • Cut legal paths to residency.

  • Criminalized border crossings as felonies rather than civil infractions.

  • Used cruelty, publicly and deliberately, as a “deterrent.”

These aren’t border control strategies they’re political theatre that dehumanizes the most vulnerable for the sake of scoring points on talk radio and riling up voters with nationalist dog whistles.

And who supports this? Far too many “average Americans” who have the gall to call themselves religious, family-oriented, or freedom-loving while applauding policies that rip mothers from children, demonize people fleeing violence, and treat brown-skinned migrants like threats simply for existing.

These same people will:

  • Cry about “cancel culture” but stay silent when an asylum seeker is denied due process.

  • Post Bible verses on Facebook while supporting policies that violate every Christian ethic of compassion.

  • Celebrate Thanksgiving - literally a holiday about refugees being welcomed and then demand armed troops at the southern border.

  • Talk about how their grandparents “came here legally” (in an era when there were few to no restrictions), while demanding modern migrants jump through flaming bureaucratic hoops that didn’t even exist a century ago.

This is not patriotism. It’s selective amnesia and moral cowardice wrapped in a flag.

  • Chinese immigrants laid the tracks of the transcontinental railroad.

  • Irish and Italian laborers built our early cities.

  • Black and brown farm workers fed this nation during war and depression.

  • Refugees from Vietnam, Bosnia, Cuba, and more rebuilt their lives here and gave back tenfold.

And yet somehow, the descendants of immigrants the people whose own ancestors likely came here undocumented or under looser laws feel entitled to slam the gates shut behind them. It’s not just selfish. It’s an insult to their own legacy.

What’s happening today isn’t about “safety” or “jobs” or “doing it the right way.” It’s about fear. It’s about othering. It’s about the fragile egos of people who can’t face the fact that America is growing browner, more diverse, and more complex.

Supporting these policies doesn’t make you tough. It doesn’t make you patriotic, it makes you pathetic.
It makes you complicit in cruelty.
It makes you the villain in the very story you claim to honor.

It’s time for a reckoning.

We need to stop pretending this is a “policy disagreement.” This is a fight for the soul of the nation. Either we are the America of Emma Lazarus and Ellis Island, or we are something much darker, a place that punishes hope and criminalizes survival.

There is no middle ground.
There is no “both sides.”
You either stand for human dignity, or you stand with the nazis.


by Luciom

I wonder what Wilson thinks courts can order potus to do , now that Garcia is outside the country.

I also wonder why no judge evered ordered Biden to facilitate by all means necessary the deportation of all illegals in custody and to stop freeing any of them, which is what the law would entail.

But i suppose dereliction of duty millions of times isn't a constitutional crisis

First, there is no law that requires a president to pursue a specific course with respect to deporting people. Second, as microbet and others have noted, Biden deported a lot of people. Third, your entire argument relies on the premise that Trump no longer can get this guy back (if he is alive) without using military force or otherwise encroaching on El Salvador's sovereignty. That is an utter fiction. I refuse to believe that you believe that.


by Rococo

First, there is no law that requires a president to pursue a specific course with respect to deporting people. Second, as microbet and others have noted, Biden deported a lot of people. Third, your entire argument relies on the premise that Trump no longer can get this guy back (if he is alive) without using military force or otherwise encroaching on El Salvador's sovereignty

He's alive.

Just ignore the whataboutism... it's pointless, and an intentional distraction.


Thx. I hadn't seen this update.


by Luciom

So democrats can disregard the law completly, damaging every single citizen of the USA in the process (by allowing people citizens DO NOT WANT IN THE COUNTRY, that what immigration laws are about)....

Are you living over here now cuz I definitely don't want you here damaging my citizenship?

Damn those morally horrific democrats.


by coordi

Do you not understand what "medically necessary" means or are you just trolling

you're mistaking the forest for the trees

that is not a factor in this

it's that we give extra rights to convicted felons that regular citizens need to spend hundreds of thousands to achieve

the far greatest bottleneck to successfully transitioning to where one can pass for their identified gender is the cost of surgery

it's estimated that roughly half of trans americans who underwent surgery had at least one of the procedures done abroad due to the costs entailed with getting it done here

so yes, it's absolutely outlandish that we give special rights and privileges to convicted felons that regular citizens do not receive

any liberal should agree with this that we should have universal healthcare open to all, not just for specific cohorts of people


by rickroll

you're mistaking the forest for the treesthat is not a factor in thisit's that we give extra rights to convicted felons that regular citizens need to spend hundreds of thousands to achievethe far greatest bottleneck to successfully transitioning to where one can pass for their identified gender is the cost of surgeryit's estimated that roughly half of trans americans who underw

Good sir, I'm afraid its you who doesn't get it

Your issue is with Prisoners receiving medical care at all. All their medical care if free

Its fundamentally not a trans issue

But you only care about trans people getting "cosmetic surgery" despite the reference that started this conversation stating "medically necessary"

Universal healthcare is a different topic.

But I certainly agree the Prison system is fully ****ed and desperately needs an overhaul


would you advocate that all obese prisoners get free stomach stapling - it would improve their health outcomes


by Luciom

I also wonder why no judge evered ordered Biden to facilitate by all means necessary the deportation of all illegals in custody and to stop freeing any of them, which is what the law would entail.

Imagine spending hours every day talking about politics and being unable to figure this out, lol


by Rococo

Algo or no, you still got this information from some outrage vendor who was making a bullshit argument (probably knowingly) in the hope that people would respond in exactly the way you did.

nope i got it from Gwern, one of the smartest guys around (check him, truly one of a kind guy and almost never political), who was just adding the article as a response to the tweet so i got curios and i looked about the topic.


by rickroll

would you advocate that all obese prisoners get free stomach stapling - it would improve their health outcomes

A much more common problem is not all people are ok eating at the same hours. Would you advocate for latinos to have dinners 2 hour later in prison (or others to have dinner 2 hours later so the latinos are ok), just because in their culture eating at 6pm is atrociously early?

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