President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by jchristo

The idea that everything is a zero-sum game with winners and losers is a consistent motif across Trumpism. You see it in trade theory, foreign policy, domestic, fiscal, etc. There are no rising ships....

yeah its completely ****ed. the aggrandization and importance placed on the idea of ensuring everyone knows who the winner is strikes me as such fragile ego type ****.

a smart dude doesnt come up to and tell you how smart they are. only an idiot does that. they probably say someting like "i passed that cognitive test, i got the best possible score ever" or whatever stupid ****in comment that idiot made about a test that had nothing to do with intelligence and probably everything to do with "have you gone ****in senile u moron?"


by craig1120

This comment got liked by Gorgonian and jchristo.

Why don’t you two step forward and say what it is I’m pretending to know about the self in order to “justify hate”?

That the self exists? I’m making the self up?

You come across as an egocentric charlatan and an uninteresting one at that. You make terrible and arrogant assumptions and projections on the lives of other people whom you don't understand. Everything about you appears to be pretending.


by craig1120

This comment got liked by Gorgonian and jchristo.

Why don’t you two step forward and say what it is I’m pretending to know about the self in order to “justify hate”?

That the self exists? I’m making the self up?

plainly stated: that your interpretation of existence is the only true interpretation, and anything outside of it is not just folly, but deserving of persecution by societal structures and demonstrably showing a desire to erase those who hold an interpretaiton that is not the replica of your own. its kinda ****in crazy.

its not like people are trying to tell you green is actually red to them. or that some fundamental baseline understanding of this shared reality is false. its not even a thing that would shatter or **** up or impede your own ability to experience life itself, its so many degrees of separation from you. and yet it becomes something you feel the need to argue against when another person says "hey im not happy like this, and i wanna be able to change that so i too can be happy"

your objections are effectively turnign to that person and saying "no. this is how i am happy, so you must follow exactly in kind or suffer repurcussion"

why?


by Brian James

I don't know what you guys are so puzzled about.

You enter the country illegally. Due process is you get deported. it's quite simple really.

What about if you enter legally but violate immigration law multiple times while in the country, brah?

Should we deport, or should we allow that person 10 years to become a US citizen and then the first lady twice? 😃😃


by Inso0

Every single responsible parent places limits on their support for a child's desires. Some people not doing so is how we ended up in this mess. I happily paid for all those horse costs and all the shows which netted her a giant pile of ribbons she may or may not appreciate a decade from now, but that doesn't mean I'm not a little bit sad that I also have to pay for a college

I didn't say that at all, I said nothing about you giving anything to your children. I even acknowledged that you let her follow her passion by letting her work with horses, which I know could vary been a significant expense and a huge expence.

I meant it seemed like you weren't very emotionally supportive of her preferences, as you pressured her to do a different activity just for the financial benefit. I don't think anyone should choose the main thing they do in their life, hobby or job, based on what makes them the most money, unless they won't have enough to pay the rent any other way, or if they have dependants who need the steady paycheck to feed, clothes, and house them. Your daughter didn't have to worry about doing any of those things.

Preventing your children from eating candy for breakfast is not oppressive, but done for their improved health.
You described pressuring them to take part in dangerous activities they don't even enjoy, but done just for money.


by rickroll

lol at the notion that creating policy to give free cosmetic surgeries to inmates that costs regular folks hundreds of thousands for citizens not in jail is not politicizing it

your level of confirmation bias is impressive

I have mixed feelings on the trans issues, but the idea of the government paying very expensive optional medical treatments to prisoners I find to be absolutely crazy, especially if the procedure would get them moved to a different prison.

If someone proclaims themselves to be claustrophobic, are you going to offer him a much larger cell, or give him more outdoor time than other prisoners? I don't think that would be fair, even if a doctor verified the condition.

One main point of putting people in prison is to make them uncomfortable, not taking care of every little need or preference that might make them more comfortable.


by Rococo

My family had a set of Jarts, except my brother and I decided on a variant of the rules when we were quite young. Instead of trying to land the darts in the target area, we tried the hit each other. The idea was that your opponent had to stand still, and if you made your opponent move to get out of the way of the Jart, you got a point. Inevitably, I hit my brother in the toe

You seem so compassionate and intelligent. I guess those traits became expressed after this incident.


by craig1120

What is the right response in this example:

The people that the child feels are his parents are going to be in prison so in most cases the real parents would be the most sensible people to choose to care for the child now.


Yes if someone has diagnosed claustophobia it should be taken into consideration.

I also totally disagree the purpose of prison should be making people feel uncomfortable. I'd accept that's part of our lol 'justice' systems but it's nothing to do with justice


by chillrob
by rickroll

lol at the notion that creating policy to give free cosmetic surgeries to inmates that costs regular folks hundreds of thousands for citizens not in jail is not politicizing ityour level of confirmation bias is impressive

I have mixed feelings on the trans issues, but the idea of the government paying very expensive optional medical treatments to prisoners I find to be absolutel

Then how you justify anyone being placed in hospitals or mental institutions instead of jail?


by mongidig

If you are standing up for the rule of law then you should support deporting anyone who is illegally in the country right?

The laws give most illegal immigrants possible ways they can stay here - showing they would be killed if they return home due example.

You cannot follow the law if you're not following those procedures which at least offer the person the chance to make his case to be allowed to stay.


by jchristo

You seem to misunderstand this situation and treatment. There are a miniscule number of medical cases where this is seen as a medically necessary treatment to solve a serious condition. That is the consensus opinion of medical professionals.I don't think it is particularly political to cover it the same way other medical disorders of a similar seriousness are approached. Deviat

Unless a condition will cause death if left untreated, I wouldn't call it serious. This condition causes discomfort, but discomfort is the main point of having prisons.
I think prisoners should be made even more uncomfortable than they are now, not offering them free medical treatments which are designed to make the prisoner more comfortable.


by chillrob

I have mixed feelings on the trans issues, but the idea of the government paying very expensive optional medical treatments to prisoners I find to be absolutely crazy, especially if the procedure would get them moved to a different prison.If someone proclaims themselves to be claustrophobic, are you going to offer him a much larger cell, or give him more outdoor time than other

i think a lot more crime would be committed if it came with free liposuction and penile implants


by weeeez

Then how you justify anyone being placed in hospitals or mental institutions instead of jail

I don't justify that. I don't even think it should be done. If you want to justify it, go ahead. I'll read it.


by chillrob
by weeeez

Then how you justify anyone being placed in hospitals or mental institutions instead of jail

I don't justify that. I don't even think it should be done. If you want to justify it, go ahead. I'll read it.

I actually don't really know myself.
I just see some people are put in these other places.
Instinctively I think it's good it exists.


by chillrob

The laws give most illegal immigrants possible ways they can stay here - showing they would be killed if they return home due example.

You cannot follow the law if you're not following those procedures which at least offer the person the chance to make his case to be allowed to stay.

So you are saying that if democrats let millions in illegally, disregarding the law, there is no legal way to send them back on purpose, because the system is built in a way that makes it impossible to give each and every one of them that chance to stay.

So democrats can disregard the law completly, damaging every single citizen of the USA in the process (by allowing people citizens DO NOT WANT IN THE COUNTRY, that what immigration laws are about), and nothing happens to them if they do, and no claim of a complete destruction of the rule of law is made by you when they violate the law millions of times, but when it's republican turn to fix the horrific illegal actions of democrats, they have "to follow laws" , ie they can't fix it.

Nice game you guys are playing here. If the gvmnt illegally lets you in, it can illegaly kick your ass out, and no violation happens if that's the case. it's a restoration of normality to do so.


by rickroll

i think a lot more crime would be committed if it came with free liposuction and penile implants

For someone who claims to be a liberal, you sure manage to hit just about every conservative note going. Are you a liberal like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?


I was planning on writing a little song about medical qualifications, called "RFK or Dr. Dre".


by chillrob

Unless a condition will cause death if left untreated, I wouldn't call it serious.

I would caution you that your net isn't nearly wide enough here.


by Land O Lakes
by Brian James

I don't know what you guys are so puzzled about.

You enter the country illegally. Due process is you get deported. it's quite simple really.

What about if you enter legally but violate immigration law multiple times while in the country, brah?

Should we deport, or should we allow that person 10 years to become a US citizen and then the first lady twice? 😃😃

don't you go after white people!


I had a feeling liberals didn't love free trade so much, and in fact, they didn't until Trump made them love it, so funny


Might be the best thing Trump accomplished, to make liberals pro free trade


by Luciom

I had a feeling liberals didn't love free trade so much, and in fact, they didn't until Trump made them love it, so funny Might be the best thing Trump accomplished, to make liberals pro free trade

But they were always higher than conservatives, during the time shown here.


Yes people formed a strong pro free trade view when trade restrictions became the number one reason they could lose their job. Great work Sherlock.


by Luciom

I had a feeling liberals didn't love free trade so much, and in fact, they didn't until Trump made them love it, so funny Might be the best thing Trump accomplished, to make liberals pro free trade

In the real world, there is a huge middle ground between completely free trade and Trump's moronic blunderbuss tariffs.

But when you pose a binary question, what you really are getting is not generalized opinions about trade, but rather opinions about the trade policy that is in place at the specific moment the question is asked. That's the main reason why "liberal" opinions appear to have shifted so rapidly.

Historically, it is certainly true that the Democratic party (and voting base) has been more protectionist at times than the GOP.

For example, during the apex of organized labor, auto manufacturing, etc., in the U.S., Democrats definitely were more protectionist than the GOP.


by chillrob

Well guys, according to Karl, I am now a woman. What am I supposed to do about it?

You primarily identify with female-coded gender traits? That's interesting.

The first thing you should do, and this has nothing inherently to do with gender, is that you should stop being less of an extremely low-info, deeply misanthropic being of pure misery who knows nothing about the world yet thinks it should revolve around whatever moronic "first principles" fight their way to the front of your mind.

The second thing, I would say, is to speak to a qualified mental health professional that can help you understand and come to terms with your identity. Best of luck!

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As far as Luciom's concern goes, that the brain chemistry processes that inform gender aren't currently measurable -- well, tons of stuff aren't currently quantifiable, but we recognize that stuff exists...

(highly compelling argument from Luce here)

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