President Donald Trump

I was referring to Tennessee (where Pat Summit coached), not Texas, but yes, 90% is probably a bit conservative.

I wonder if rickroll or mongidig identify as an attack helicopter

Yes, yes, I'm just a giant girlie-man. Thankfully, my wife is very progressive and puts up with it.

The beer leagues are very relevant because the differences only grow as you move further up the professional ladder, and we need to create an environment where women can stand out amongst their peers. My daughter is currently attending a public university in Wisconsin and they have three different levels of competition for sports. The top two are divided by gender for fairness, and only the lower "beer league" has mixed participation because it's primary purpose is that of a social activity. Still, as Rickroll says, if your team has too many girls on it, you're going to get rocked every time.

My daughter is more like me than her mother and I essentially begged her to partake in sports as a kid because genetics did the hard part for her. She chose to ride horses instead. Easiest full-ride volleyball scholarship of her life just sitting there waiting to be picked up off the ground. Such a shame.

Even with her sitting comfortably in the 99th percentile for size, I wouldn't have wanted her competing against dudes.

A long time age, when I was in high school, the girls gym teacher had been a member of the Canadian Women's Basketball Team for a couple of years when she was in college. She wasn't far removed from that as she was still in her early/mid-20s. She played pick up games with us all the time and held her own. Now granted, we were a little tiny rural school with only about 40 kids in each class.

Maybe, just maybe, different coaches have different rules of engagement and recruit different levels of talent for their practice teams.

I'm sure they do, but I would wager that what I described is a lot more common for highly competitive college teams and professional teams than what you described, even though you said that the men were "always" limited in the way you described.

Not to be nitpicky, but you said "always"

But a cursory research shows that might actually be more like "never"

edit: I'm getting slow ponied left and right today

That’s my point. If you do nothing when things are good you get credit. If you do nothing when things are bad you get blame.

What are we mad at now? Didn't Daddy Trump kick all the scary trans kids out of the Olympics or whatever?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there some modest restrictions. I would be shocked if "no jumping," and "no pressuring the ballhander" were common restrictions. I remember seeing an interview with Pat Summit about this very topic, and my recollection is that she said that she wanted men who understood that their role was to make the women better, not to prove that they were better than the women. She didn't have any interest in having a 6'7 guy on the practice squad who just wanted to mean mug after blocking his 8th shot of the scrimmage.

I asked Grok to cite some sources for practice restrictions

You seem to keep agreeing with me.

But again, nobody is arguing that men aren't bigger, stronger, and faster than women on average.

We are talking about people who are deep into a transition and what that means

You said always then listed off a bunch of restrictions that aren't common at all

You also tried to distinct that they are always playing against men who quit playing after high school but that doesn't seem to be true either

Not really.

These restrictions seem like about what I would expect. I was describing a size limitation, which is another way to eliminate (or significantly reduce) concerns about shot-blocking above the rim and bully ball. Telling the men that you don't want to see constant run-outs every possession might also make sense.

As an aside, interior play in high level women's basketball is not delicate. Because the game is mostly played below the rim, pushing and shouldering for position is probably an even bigger part of post play and rebounding than it is for men.

yup, the third fastest woman ever won a race against a bunch of bunch of overweight randos

you're not proving what you think you're proving

nobody is saying that female athletes suck we are saying that she wouldn't have won any of her medals if any of the men had switched over

her winning times were
2008 - 10.78 seconds
2012 - 10.75 seconds

the slowest time in 2008 for men was 10.03 and 9.98 in 2012

she would have even lost to any good collegiate athlete in those years - again with the slowest 100m time in the collegiate 100m finals being 10.16 in 2008 and 10.45 in 2012

nope

Being in the finals of the 100m means that you are an elite college sprinter, no matter where you finish.

I certainly would never expect a female sprinter to beat an elite male college sprinter.

The little league washouts in your area must be exceptionally good, and the female D1 softball players must be exceptionally terrible, but if you tell me that's how it is your area, then shrug emoji, I guess.

But that is the only area of his "expertise"....

You are trying to contextualize the difference between elite men and elite women by referencing your experience with overweight randos in beer leagues and my post accurately shows that your contextualization is complete nonsense and then you come flying in off the top rope agreeing with me

Until those 2008 and 2012 men transition for a year+ and we do a bunch of tests the best we have is conflicting inconclusive data from insufficient research. I don't know how anyone with a brain can argue against trying to do some proper science to accurately contextualize these things but its been propagandized so effectively that many people think thats harmful to society

I just swam between a 79 year old male master swimmer and a female college d1 sophomore. I was getting dizzy having these two lap me repeatedly for 45 minutes. Both of them kicked my ass. I can't imagine trying to actually compete with them in a formal race.

Guys it really doesn’t make sense to say “no one cares about this issue” and the. spend 20 pages arguing why it’s actually super based to have trans women compete in women’s athletic competitions.

Just admit you care but it’s horrible optics. It’s fine to care about this issue, and people get really annoyed when you say no one should care but then call everyone bigoted for disagreeing with your opinion on it.

Now there are certain issues where I will draw the line and call someone transphobic, like intentional, purposeful misgendering, but this is one where reasonable people can and do disagree.

I think Freakdaddy said nobody actually cares about this and hes basically refused to engage in the conversation

I said that the issue has been propagandized to the point that many people care very deeply about the issue when they probably shouldn't. This makes me care

Nobody has called anyone a bigot in this conversation, other than me calling Luciom a bigot, which is more a reference to his body of work and not anything said in this conversation