President Donald Trump

OK?

I wasn't talking to or about you. I don't know if you're a conservative or not; as far as I recall, you've never really talked about politics in the Politics and Society forum. (although I guess you may kinda halfway hit the "society" part somewhere within your incomprehensible ramblings)

Anyway, gender is indeed important within any typical society. It's a big part of how one identifies. I bet it was quite refreshing for trans people when the outside world realized and recognized that gender isn't a binary construct! (and non-binary people too, obv)

Look, you don't have to be some blue-haired gender weirdo to be a halfway decent person on this. You can just be like Joe Biden, who said "I don't know, at least 3" when he was asked how many genders there are. Personally, at least, I'm happy to settle for your ignorance as long as there's no malice behind it.

maybe you fail to realize a ton of people completly refuse the idea that a 14y trans person exists, because to be trans you have to be of a biological sex and consisently feel of the opposite, for years, after puberty. You can ex post determine that that person was trans much later, but you can never be 100% sure at 14y old.

And, there is the idea of not indulging people with doubts, because if we can save even one single person from transition from which he wants to come back later, that's better than the alternative (among minors).

The number of minors we should sterilize because of trans issue is an absolute 0 anyway, so making it less comfortable to be in that gray area where "you are not sure" is positive for minors.

You only focus on the vanishingly small number of people who end up much later (the only time when you can know) to be actually trans. We instead care a lot more about the many more people who have "phases", and we don't want them to incur in any permanent damage while a minor in those phases. So anything that makes it harder for them to have such a "phase" is in their interest.

You think it's inhumane, we think it protects them and failing to protect minors is the inhumane act.

The self is gendered and binary - containing both masculine and feminine.

The trans identity isn’t part of the self. The trans identity wedges itself in between human consciousness and the self. It deceives the person into believing the trans identity is the self, but it is certainly not the self.

If you were 6 ft 200 and transitioned for 18 months you'd be 6 foot 350 pounds before long and your girly muscles could barely support your bloated frame

You really aren't getting it.

I don't have a daughter but I have a trans niece

Oh so going through male puberty doesn't give a permanent advantage? wtf?

Yeah, I don't get your last post at all.

If you're saying the kid would've already been on puberty blockers for 2 years, that doesn't really help your case at all. It makes you look like even more of a monster for the unnecessary use of puberty blockers on a clearly confused 6th or 7th grader. Actual psychopath behavior.

There is a permanent advantage in bone strength and length, muscle density and heart and lung size, among other things.

Once again, you aren't getting it.

Pointless to explain it again

We agree! I feel the same way.

I have the appetite.

Gender is a product of various processes of brain chemistry that inform a person if they more identify with a certain set of personality traits or some OTHER certain set of personality traits or any of the innumerable combinations thereof. Also, in somewhat rare cases, one will not identify with any gender-coded personality traits. At least that's my casual understanding of the issue.

wat

In all sincerity, I have no idea what you're saying here, and I know that many other posters struggle in a similar fashion with your posts. I'm guessing you're arguing there is this "self" which exists outside of known human biology, but it also necessarily exists within the human brain, and it's a purely subconscious process that can and will trick the conscious mind; and it is essentially your definition of a what a "soul" is, which makes me wonder why you don't just call it a soul in the first place, and... oh wait, I thought we were talking about trans issues.

Yeah, you guys are pretty close to getting it but swerve off into weirdo territory for no reason at all.

There are very very few minor trans athletes. Specifically because the transition process is so protected. I've spit out all sorts of numbers that show we transition 0 kids under 17 per year on average under insurance. Minor transitions under insurance coverage was your stated main concern! Its zero on average!

Saying that no 14 year old could ever know if they are trans is objectively a stupid thing to say, but even if you believe that, its just not happening at any sort of scale.

Its incredibly difficult to get good numbers but I feel fairly confident saying there are less than 1000 trans athletes in the US

We can argue till our face turns blue what the right course of action is here. I specifically think we should defer to the experts and it shouldn't be a political issue. I know for a fact that Republicans spending 100s of millions of dollars on anti trans propaganda and trotting out the trans issue any time they are doing bad things is not productive in any measurable way for society and the propagandization of such a fringe topic is specifically meant to fill the minds of morons who can't wrap their heads around real policy

C, in event of a very young child at risk of permanent damage due to precocious puberty.

f) none of the above, in the case of people using them to circumvent the otherwise normal progression from young male to adult male or young female to adult female, because there's no legitimate argument for it.

I know it's all fun and games to meme on the right wingers for being dumb Nazis, but I truly cannot wrap my head around people who advocate for ****ing with puberty to score some social points.

If little Billy felt like he was actually a cat, would you let him start body modifications like this guy?

Wrong. Trans people don't (necessarily) feel that they are of a different sex than what their body depicts. This is a basic fact. Maybe THE basic fact of this whole issue. You are spitting some real low-grade, Matt Walsh-style idiocy. Are you gonna ask us "What is a Woman?" next, as if you're dunking on people and that's not in fact a trivially easy question to answer?

In any case, I've already spent way too much time on this dumb ****. How about you just... treat people well? How's that sound? I mean, I know y'all hate that, but...

You can identify with the brain and believe it’s you, but that doesn’t make your ‘self’ not exist. Just like how when a trans person identifies with the trans identity that doesn’t make the self not exist.

Unlike the soul, the self is associated only with this world. Still, it’s true that the self is gendered (binary) via its relationship with the soul (the source of gender).

This idea of gendered brains is not the way forward. You really want to place your bet that the brains of trans folks are going to match up with their trans identity? Only if there is a lot of “fudging” going on.

Most trans activists I’ve interacted with aren’t making this bet and instead are claiming the existence of “true gender”, implying the self / soul of a trans person is uni-gendered.

"Social points"

You just don't get it. You should feel incredibly lucky for multiple reasons that your kid isn't trans. Well, mainly they should feel incredibly lucky, but you too

I do agree with this. Compassion, acceptance, and affirmation should come first for anyone.

Just not affirmation of the trans identity as the self. Doing this isn’t good in the big picture for the person struggling or for society at large.

Girls playing softball get hit in the face with softballs. Thats one of the risks of playing softball.

A guy on my baseball team had to have facial surgery after taking a ball to the face

Had nothing to do with anything trans

This is so ****ing stupid

Maybe girls just shouldn't play sports?

how about we just don't treat people with dicks differently depending on how they feel?

it's them (actually a tiny radicalized portion of them + a ton of radical non trans leftists) that ask me and the rest of society to change. "treat them well" doesn't encompass letting them dictate how we divide people in prisons, sports and so on.

we already spent on the issue more than 100x the time it deserves. now we want a complete stop on any change about anything to accomodate them, in all sectors of life, for at least a couple of centuries, to make up for the time they made us waste.

btw "what is a woman" is so trivial that a now sitting SCOTUS judge refused to answer it while under oath

biological men hit stronger jfc after puberty, maybe girls shouldn't play sports with biological men after puberty?

a guy on your baseball team took a liner to the face and it had nothing to do with being trans. what a compelling argument.

My conservative trumper half sister has a trans daughter and she tried to pray it away, asked the church to pray it away, told her she couldn't be trans, etc.

It works about as well as praying the gay away but sure, traumatize your child and destroy your relationship with them because you are so confident in your hard headedness

Your compelling argument is that hypothetical trans 14 year old are going to hit beamers at defenseless little girls but thats a specific risk no matter what

Well at that point they are grown adults who can make decisions for themselves, right? You've said you only care about minors transitioning

Good answer, but incomplete. The correct answer was actually e (a,b, and, c).

Since the answer didn't include d at all, you can take your uninformed, uneducated opinion and shove it.