President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
So, the Trump administration sent a guy to a Salvadoran prison by mistake, a judge said they had to (at least try to) get him back. They appealed to the Supreme Court, which decided unanimously that they had to try to get him back, and to report their progress on the issue.They have now stated that they will not comply with the order of the Supreme Court.I cannot now see how an
To supreme court ordered to "facilitate" the return. Which makes more sense than the district judge order to "effectuate" the return, as you simply cannot order something that isn't in the power of the entity to do unless you are completly deranged.
Now an order should be something than you can execute fully unambigously. Unclear why the supreme court didn't list actions in the power of the US government that explicitly detailed what that order entails.
You cannot claim the order isn't followed if it isn't 100% clear exactly action by action what the order ****ing is to begin with, can you?
Supposedly the US gvmnt should attempt to ask El Salvador to get the guy back. Maybe something else? but in your mind, should the US gvmnt be COMPELLED by the court to send a rescue team in El Salvador and kill as many people as necessary to try to bring that person back? is that the idea?
I think it's completly absurd for courts to be allowed to order actions outside of US soil to begin with (at most it can FORBID actions outside of US soil), but when the order isn't even 100% transparent (like, you have someone in custody, release him), what are we even talking about? general political indications of how to conduct foreign policy?
The constitution doesn't give unlimited power to courts to order the government actively what to do anywhere.
According to your logic the supreme court could order literally anything to the US gvmnt and not executing that would be not uphelding the constitution. Where did you get that from the text of the constitution?
Supposedly the constitution is a list of what the gvmnt can't do, and judges can and should proscribe the state from doing unconstitutional stuff, not a tool to allow courts to commandeer the state to do anything they want. "not acting" can't be unconstitutional, there is no ongoing government action that violates anything, just an order to do something that isn't clarified, and is to be done outside of the USA, where the gvmnt doesn't have complete control, how is the gvmnt supposed to execute the order?
btw chillrob CNN reports it differently, citing people who disliked the decision because it gives leeway for the gvmnt to "punt", ie not to bring him back
district court had abused it's powers interfering with executive exclusive powers in international diplomacy, and it had to restate that the order is only to "facilitate" and the gvmnt will have to update on what steps are taken to "facilitate" the return of the guy.
So, no violation of a court order for now.
And btw every time the Biden admin had an illegal in custody and didn't deport him that's a violation of the law more severe than what you thought had happened here, because unlike this case where the gvmnt physically doesn't have the guy to return, the Biden admin had all those illegals. Every single case of each of them not being deported is a mutilating wound to the rule of law more severe than this bizzarre situation in which someone who is not a citizen and is outside of the USA somehow deserves the gvmnt actively doing something in his favor.
So unless you considered Biden a tyrant to be deposed violently as well, you cannot claim that in this case and couldn't even if Trumpd efied 1000 such orders, as Biden didn't apply the law millions of times.
Luciom, I would agree with you if the administration was dragging its feet.
I would agree with you if they said they couldn't comply with the order without fuller instruction.
I would even agree with you if they said they would comply but then did nothing, even if it were obvious they were lying.
But none of those are what is happening. They haven't said the order was too ambitious to follow. They have stated outright that they will not comply with the order, simply because they think the court has no jurisdiction over this matter.
And this wasn't even a split decision by the court, this was a 9-0 decision.
The "justice" department is saying they know what the role of the SC is better than any of the 9 people who serve on the court (three of whom were appointed by Trump himself).
You seem to have a shockingly large amount of knowledge regarding the US government as someone who did not grow up or study here. I think I know more about it than 99% of the US non-lawyer population, and you probably know more than me.
But I don't think you know better than all 9 members of the court.
And even if every one of them decided this poorly, the administration is supposed to comply with the order. That's the way the government works (or sadly, worked).
This has to be considered an outright act of treason.
The courts are probably terrified of what Trump and his highly politicised AG, justice department and FBI might try to do.
Come on man, that's no comparison. Plenty of Presidents have broken the law. Maybe all of them have broken the law. This is not about breaking the law, this is open defiance of a Supreme Court order.
You are correct, they have only been ordered to "facilitate" the return of the prisoner. They have said they will not do that.
Good clip. He certainly predicted it. I have to assume he now agrees with me that constitutional government no longer exists. He even used the term "experiment". His math was better than mine though - he correctly calculated the number of years since the ratification of the constitution, not from the declaration of independence. I have been thinking about the 250th celebrations that have been planned for next year.
Sadly, very likely.
Just waiting for an official White House tweet, making a joke about it using Studio Ghibli AI art, for confirmation.
Hey remember a week or so ago when Luciom said this was a mistake and that El Salvador would just give him back now that it was identified?
And then said it was up to El Sal but the Trump would def ask?
And now says they don’t have to do anything and it’s totes fine?
Is this guy who tried to burn the PA gov and his family alive in their home better or worse than setting a Tesla on fire?
Do we have to get a property appraisal comparison first before we decide?
Independent: Trump threatens CBS with ‘substantial punishment’ over latest 60 Minutes broadcast
“They should lose their license! Hopefully, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), as headed by its Highly Respected Chairman, Brendan Carr, will impose the maximum fines and punishment, which is substantial, for their unlawful and illegal behavior,” he wrote. “CBS is out of control, at levels never seen before, and they should pay a big price for this.”
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From the "freedom of speech" party. But Biden's Administration asked Facebook to self-evaluate whether posts are consistent with their disinformation policy so they're both against free speech amirite?
All Trump has to do is pick up the phone and phone the El Salvador President and say we screwed up I need this guy back and it would happen. Sadly this is not happening
Not really. The president of El Salvador is going to want something back. Pretty stupid to not ask for something if you have leverage over the president of the United States. That’s why Trump being incompetent and getting into all these jams is so bad for national security.
All Trump has to do is pick up the phone and phone the El Salvador President and say we screwed up I need this guy back and it would happen. Sadly this is not happening
He doesn't even need to call, as the guy is visiting the White House this morning.
By the way, this is the first foreign leader welcomed to the country during this administration. President Bukele has described himself as "the world's coolest dictator".
Not really. The president of El Salvador is going to want something back. Pretty stupid to not ask for something if you have leverage over the president of the United States. That’s why Trump being incompetent and getting into all these jams is so bad for national security.
Aren’t we paying them per person to jail people in their black hole prison? Maybe cut this off if they don’t comply?
Oh wait, we’re not allowed to see any of the terms on what the arrangement actually is because it’s national security.
All Trump has to do is pick up the phone and phone the El Salvador President and say we screwed up I need this guy back and it would happen. Sadly this is not happening
Stephen Miller just went on national tv this morning and said it was not a mistake at all and that the DOJ lawyer who said that was a deep state sabetour.
He doesn't even need to call, as the guy is visiting the White House this morning.
By the way, this is the first foreign leader welcomed to the country during this administration. President Bukele has described himself as "the world's coolest dictator".
And he has 87% support in El Salvador and went from murder capital of the world to close to the lowest
I have to laugh, what would it take for Mong to acknowledge Trump is a moron.
I swear, he'd claim it's 4-d chess/art of the deal if Trump shat in his undies then started to eat it in a cabinet meeting.
I know it’s the soft bigotry of low expectations but I was actually impressed he compared tariffs it to the first quarter of an NBA game with Trump down 6-0. I thought he would compare it to the front 9 at Augusta with Trump shooting a 14. Which we all know he could do.
And he has 87% support in El Salvador and went from murder capital of the world to close to the lowest
And Kim Jung Un is the best golfer in the world.
And he has 87% support in El Salvador and went from murder capital of the world to close to the lowest
Coincidentally(?), 87% was Putin's share in his last "election".
Maybe like 37, 87 is one of the numbers people pick when they're trying to not sound like they're making a number up.
We obviously need a televised playoff between him and trump.
Not really. The president of El Salvador is going to want something back. Pretty stupid to not ask for something if you have leverage over the president of the United States. That’s why Trump being incompetent and getting into all these jams is so bad for national security.
The fact that Trump is talking about sending US Citizens who are criminals to El Salvador would indicate that Trump is the one with leverage, and that the El Salvador President is (for some reason) trying to kiss Trump's ass on just about anything.
What seems to be really lame is the quote from the El Salvador President, Nayib Bukele
“I hope you’re not suggesting that I smuggle a terrorist into the United States,” Bukele said. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous.”
The Supreme Court of the US has ruled that the man can and should be returned to the US.
Where in the hell would Bukele come up with the thought that he would need to smuggle him into the US.
Nobody is asking him to "smuggle"" anyone into the US, and Bukele's opinion on whether the man is a terrorist or not is irrelevant.
I heard that, instead of starting a world war between them, they're going to have a dance off.
Coincidentally(?), 87% was Putin's share in his last "election".
Maybe like 37, 87 is one of the numbers people pick when they're trying to not sound like they're making a number up.
according to freedom house El Salvador elections are fair and free.
the country is a hotbed of corruption as all latin america countries are yes, doesn't mean elections aren't free
Independent: Trump threatens CBS with ‘substantial punishment’ over latest 60 Minutes broadcast
biden threatened Meta with severe repercussions if they didn't censor according to the gvmnt, and meta is 100-500x more important for public discourse than CBS these days, isn't it?
btw CBS unlike Facebook did break the law.
