Drunk maniac whale
2/5 hero 2800$ effective
Villian is a drunk maniac who has been stacked 3 times now in for 3k$ just won two hands back t
where in the original post did you indicate anything that would lead us to glean anything relevent to arriving at the conclusion you provided in the spoiler?
you do understand this is results oriented right?
two hands:
I have AA
22A, villain open shoves hero?
I have AA
22A, villain open shoves, hero?
They are different villains and different hands. Reads for hand 1) villain is unknown hand 2) villain is unknown
Hand 1, villain has 22
Hand 2, villain has AK
did we misplay either hand?
just because you aren't getting playable cards doesn't mean you sit there on your phone man!
Obviously, you don't pay enough attention or you'd know I'm not a man 😉
There was also a lot of intel I got based on his expressions during big hands that he won bluffing all the way to the river and then just getting there. I didn't just not play a few orbits for nothing. That was basically my table and I had total control so I wanted to make sure this variant didn't get in my way.
So we've come full circle from scared money to "This was basically my table and I had total control."
Cool story, Bro.
LOL. How is adding "man" to the end of the sentence a figure of speech? Don't answer -- rhetorical question.
Was not to brag I wanted to get information about how other people would have played this hand and for the most part it does appear that regardless of the V or read people will continue dumping chips. I think its important to get a general consensus on what the community would do in this situation because its how most people are going to play at the table.
Was not to brag I wanted to get information about how other people would have played this hand and for the most part it does appear that regardless of the V or read people will continue dumping chips. I think its important to get a general consensus on what the community would do in this situation because its how most people are going to play at the table.
How clever of you to fool us at the outset with all of that highly believable scared money talk. Well-done!
Was not to brag I wanted to get information about how other people would have played this hand and for the most part it does appear that regardless of the V or read people will continue dumping chips. I think its important to get a general consensus on what the community would do in this situation because its how most people are going to play at the table.
How clever of you to
How's the toll going? Make any money today?
I mean it's okay to be a bit worried about being 450bb deep vs. a maniac. That's not tilt.
I would probably raise significantly bigger preflop, even with the weird open size, and a good chance I lose all of it if he 4bets given previous reads.
On the flop it's a super std. check, and likely fold for the size given (and be super impressed we didn't lose more money) ... anyone suggesting this is a bet or tilt fold / scared money needs to study wtf overpairs with no flush card are supposed to do on monotone flops.
Like if V has 100% range, looks at one card and bets this size if it's a heart ... we are 48%.
Spoiler
hero tanks for about 4 minutes but trusts his read and his gut folds shows the queens and the drunk idiot turns his hand over and says oh man I thought I was gonna get your whole stack shows AA with a heart. The dealer who i've known for years there whispers to me you were drawing dead the turn was another ace.
told you guys so. this sizing can be ahead of QQ no ♥ maybe 50 or more %, (would be interesting to see a range equity chart). just because hes drunk doesnt mean it isnt value.
If read is: guy's a maniac, i can only assume maniacal **** and response in kind. If its hyperbolic or attenuated descriptions, its going to really throw off any ability to offer meaningful responses. Seemed to me a lot of responses were built around an image that didnt quite live up to what I gleaned from the description in OP so if clarification if necessary I'd love to hear
Bolded is a non-trivial point imo. Optimal play against a true drunk maniac is very different than optimal play against an overly splashy but thinking player.
I think call or fold flop are both reasonable options, especially if villain will check back turn at some frequency.
thread is cringe but i think flop is actually a fold vs b150. i missed that the first time
Does anyone else have a problem with Dealer rabbit hunting unasked and whispering the results to a player?
I know it changes nothing this hand, but it would make me question if anything else sketchy is happening that I'm not seeing.
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Ya'll playin real scared. If villain plays as described we call flop and call likely shove on turn.
if villain checks turn we bet. the goal is GII vs that range every time.
THe sim i ran? the worst equity scenario given an almost A2C is a heart on the turn. sim still wants you putting your money in over 50% of the time (im going to conflate frequency and equity for purposes of discussion due to the limitations of the sim)
just because a combo exists in a range doesnt mean its in his hands, its like quantum theory - its there and not there at the same time, hence range. and given description that range is ****ing enormous. because he bets on a heart board as a loose aggro player represents equity denial just as much if not moreso than holding value.
Maybe i've missed a detail somewhere.
But if villain's description is in fact NOT correct then i dont get what were supposed to offer here.
I feel like a lot of folks arent grasping the actual strategy behind player archetypes like maniac or a solid LAG. Its less discussed as most topics veer towards "fundamental or optimal" which IS very useful but show me a 1/3 - 5/10 player hitting pure GTO mixed frequency strategies and i'll show you my pet rabbit that ****'s golden eggs.
Was not to brag I wanted to get information about how other people would have played this hand and for the most part it does appear that regardless of the V or read people will continue dumping chips. I think its important to get a general consensus on what the community would do in this situation because its how most people are going to play at the table.
I don't understand this reaction. Bolded isn't what happened at all. What happened was that you described Villian a particular way in your original post. People responded based on that description. Then you said, "jk, I had a bunch of specific reads on Villain that added additional information that I didn't include in the original post." If you had included those reads in the original post, people would have said: "You were the one at the table. It sounds like you were certain about your read so folding is fine."
You didn't get a general consensus about what people would do in your situation. You got a general consensus on how people would play in a different situation--i.e., the situation that you described in the original post.
So a maniac going crazy every hand for large sizings decides to raise small and not 4b with aces pre.
How are we supposed to help you?
Illiterat said it all, you’re behind a single heart hand that hasn’t looked at their second card. This is an easy fold.
If it’s 953r he stacks us.
Bigger pre.
I don't really get the point of the thread. Are you genuinely questioning how you played the hand or gloating that you made a good hero fold?
