How badly did I mess up this AA play?
Villain is BTN, I'm SB. Villain is capable of big bluffs, but is routinely a fat stacked player. I've not seen many days where he's not fat stacked. (Suits are irrelevant, no flush on board)
I am dealt AA.
Villain raises 2bb
I reraise 7bb
Flop is 774.
I check, Villain bets 10.5bb, I call.
Turn is 3.
I check turn, he raises 18bb, I call.
River is 8.
I check, he jams, I reluctantly call.
Villain shows 78s for the boat.
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I think I should have lead out the betting on flop, and if he called or reraised, I should have folded the other streets in hindsight.
What is best line for this scenario?
On GTO wizard it says it's basically how I played it majority of time, but it has betting thrown in 50% of time on flop when acting first, and after he raises. It seems check calling is most common line. After turn, it's almost 100% check/call. The flop into turn is where there is a mix. I think, I probably could have safely folded if I raised and he either called or 3b. Is that correct? GTOwizard says don't fold pretty much. Even if I alter it so he goes all in on turn, it says fold 10% of the time, call 90%. I don't like it, but it seems I played close to a GTO line, with exception of flop, where it was 50/50 check/bet. If I alter it so he jams on flop, it's a call 100% of the time.
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I don't think GTO wizard is 3betting 7bb from small blind vs a 2bb BTN open...
It's raising to 11bb assuming a 2.5bb raise (using free version), and from my understanding, it's less important the size of the 3b as much as it is that you're raising when you're supposed to raise. At least that's what J Little said in one of his videos. I think there is little difference for an 11bb raise and a 7bb raise. His hand is calling either.
Good question. I don't know. The part I'm stuck on is the exact part GTOwizard says 50/50 check/raise for flop. It's probably good in some sense that I'm torn between a check and a raise, seeing as it is 50/50 check/raise on GTOwizard. Maybe moving forward if my left card is red, I'll raise, if it's black, I'll check on similar boards.
It's raising to 11bb assuming a 2.5bb raise (using free version), and from my understanding, it's less important the size of the 3b as much as it is that you're raising when you're supposed to raise. At least that's what J Little said in one of his videos. I think there is little difference for an 11bb raise and a 7bb raise. His hand is calling either.
Sizing is important and there is a big difference between 7 and 11. You're giving him great odds to call IP. If you think he is calling either size, that's even more incentive to go larger.
Good question. I don't know. The part I'm stuck on is the exact part GTOwizard says 50/50 check/raise for flop. It's probably good in some sense that I'm torn between a check and a raise, seeing as it is 50/50 check/raise on GTOwizard. Maybe moving forward if my left card is red, I'll raise, if it's black, I'll check on similar boards.
Worst thing a new player can do is getting obsessed with gto while still not understanding basic fundamentals...
In this case is pretty simple, big hand wants to play big pot so you build it by using normal 3B size OOP and B50-B50-allin
Worst thing a new player can do is getting obsessed with gto while still not understanding basic fundamentals...
In this case is pretty simple, big hand wants to play big pot so you build it by using normal 3B size OOP and B50-B50-allin
Right, and because it's online, i clicked pot and that's the sizing that it was for the raise (7bb), I'm not beating myself up over a 4bb difference between the sizing I used vs the sizing of GTO. Sometimes I manually move it up to 10.5bb - 15bb, sometimes I hit pot and let that be the raise size. The question was about post flop.
I highlighted where in your comment you're being obtuse btw. It's not useful. Not what the question was. I think there is a way of playing this where I fold on turn. I think if I raised postflop, then he called; I could have placed his hand better, stopped aggression, and see what he did. Possibly folding being a good option, GTO says 10%, but these opponents aren't balanced, so there is more reason to raise/fold than to check/call (Is the idea). Maybe even bet, bet, fold river. As he may call simply because a paired board is likely overbluffed
Np you do you. To more directly respond to your question, imho you messed up when you decided rely on your opponent to build the pot instead of doing it yourself (for whatever random reason, GTO i guess).
P.S. I assumed you are a new player, because you keep mixing terms bet and raise.
You are missing information like how much he jammed. The hand is misplayed from the start. You lose value pre and on the flop because most will check back this dryish board. If he is perfectly balanced which I doubt, then figure out the number of bluffs he has here on the river and determine wether or not he would be overbluffing or underbluffing according to the pot odds. GL
