Take it in fast or slow OOP w NIT?

Also the point I'm basically asking is how to continue here vs a very premium range. This woman has as good as QQ here (it was that kind of table).

I would just call flop, and evaluate turn.

Alternatively, it's not crazy to check-raise here. Barrel turn on a club or 3. Check a brick. Fold if she shows any aggression.

Against someone who probably doesn't have a bluffing range, I think we're looking to just realize our equity as cheap as possible. Call and see what she does on the turn. If the turn bricks and she fires big, we can make an exploitative fold. If we are against AK and better, we are not getting great immediate pot odds. We need 31% equity to call and break even with no further action. Against AK we only have 43%, and it gets worse from there.

However, even with the chunky flop bet, I don't think we can go away because if we do turn a club, a hand like QQ or KJ might pay us off, even from a nit. I have found that in these types of games, nits will often C-bet their top pair, but then check back turn way more than they should. If our read is right and she fires on a brick turn, I think we can assume 2-pair or better and only call if we are getting direct pot odds to hit our flush. Some of these nits will even check QQ OTT because when you call the flop they fear you hit broadway.

I would never try to turn this into a bluff. I'd pull my bluffs from hands like Kxdd, KQ, QJ type hands that have decent backup equity but maybe I can push a scared player off of Ax on the river.

So she only limps 5-10%? Sounds insane but ok. These boards play pretty straightforward - would just bet the flop. The value here is when you make a flush vs her strong hand - if you check you're getting little value when you make it.

I don't think voluntarily putting in money HU when we believe we're behind is a winning strategy, especially if we have little-to-no fold equity.

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Well see this is the point I'm trying to make. On the one hand, the pot is 55$ and she has a little under 300 behind, she actually had maybe 280 here, (she had a bunch of 1$ chips). Ok so SRP the SPR is like almost 6... and we have a hand that's almost certainly behind but has maybe 40-50% equity. Say 40% on average. So are we leading or check-raising and putting it in or playing pot control and waiting to see how much goes in, maybe aborting on turn or river?

ch/raise would be fine if she's likely to fold Top pair no kicker but someone playing this snug is unlikely to fold to a ch/raise after leading.

I'd also say someone playing this snug is also not great at hand reading and I wouldnt worry about seeming "face up" either.

I think easiest way to get stack in is let her make the mistake of giving you odds to continue the draw and if A out are clean as well, it only makes it easier.

I expect a follow up turn bet on most bricks though but this was addressed in prior post about critical point being the turn with this hand.

Why would you assume you were behind before she has even had a chance to act?

I don't think you have any fold equity vs a nit on such flop if she has a piece.

I don't like the check as well, might as well bet to see what happens first.

As played just call. At the end of the day we only have top pair with no kicker. Check/raising is turning our hand into a bluff. If we get it in on the flop we only 50/50 vs TQ, vs hands like AT/AQ/TT/QQ/KJ, we are behind.

I guess you can bluff AK/AJ to fold.

I'd just go ahead and bet the flop myself. She's so unlikely to raise, and I'd be fine if she did. As played, I guess just call and hope to bink the turn.

I would overlimp as per my style not in LP.

Think I'm ok with the flop check. We definitely don't want to face a raise as we probably won't even have the equity to continue against her range. Meanwhile if she checks behind indicating our weak A is likely good (and it needing almost no protection) then we can maybe eke out one or perhaps two streets UI instead of having her just fold the flop. Not awesome facing an almost PSB but I'm calling one street and seeing what happens. If we face another ~PSB on the turn we'll probably have to sigh fold. Never attempting to turn my hand into a semi-bluff against a player like this on this board which smashes her range (every set / two pear / straight is in play and her weakest hand is probably something like TPTK + gutshot).

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I don't understand why we would ever want to bet flop against a V who is VPIP 5-10%. This flop smashes V's range, and V is going to have a ton of hands that even a nit won't fold. If V checks back on the flop, we can bet any turn and expect to get a ton of folds. Our hand doesn't benefit from bloating the pot, and if V is going to fold flop, she'll fold the turn too. No matter what hand you give V and turn face up, I see no benefit in leading.

Because she is so rarely going to raise. I bet the only had she raises here is AA -- maybe QQ. You can start building a pot.

Also, you might get her to fold a better A, which is fine with me.

Result:

so basically you got owned?

Lot of folks talking about raising the flop vs an opponent who OPENS 5-10% and so most of the time is calling a raise with a tighter ranage than that (as clearly the "bottom" of that 5-10% would release and fold). I'll even grant that the range is almost inelastic so out of curiosity, what does a top 7.5% range look like pre flop and what is your equity vs that range on this board?

Also what hands does villain have that bet this board and fold to a raise and what part of the above range calls?

And why is villain never raising?

And what is our bet attempting to do against a 7.5% range on this flop? "balance" your lines against someone who is literally playing autopilot and only playing a few steps away from most players 4bet from MP range?

None of these statements are supported by the evidence provided as far as i can tell - so maybe someone could explain to me the support for their line of reasoning and not just some inconclusive comment presented as lock tight argument?

I'm gonna tell ya'll a story and i know some folks on here will pick up on what i'm putting down (and itll be short too in case you have important tik tok videos to get to still)

Im playing the 1/3 game in a card room. Kid on my right is a mark: weak/passive calling station. But the BIG point is he continually wants to talk about a hand after and as far as I can tell its as if you took the spark notes of the spark notes - they're borderline platitude - the syntax and ideas are concrete in of themselves but their application to the conversation strategically was non-existent. It's like talking to counter server at a butcher about the technical aspects of a surgeon's incision. Sure, he's been around knives. And probably watched someone cut something up. But the take aways were bafflingly off base relative to pertinence. And then he would continually remind us how he plays the 10/10 and 10/20 back home in Texas.

He has about 75 BBs. Im in the BB. EP (sub 100BB stack) raises to 7, folds to our buddy mid reminder about his 10/10+ game back home, he raises to 17.

Im in the BB with AA, I pop to 75. Dont need to make it too big, the guy is short stacked. Folds back to him as he's clicking call letting the table know once more "I play this game a LOT. i definitely know what im doing"

He had 55 btw.

You said you didn't know her and she had been at the table for an hour. There is simply no way of knowing much, if anything about her range. You're telling us her vpip is 5-10 percent, but let’s be honest, you have no idea. There are too many people who are taking this read to seriously.

Having said that it doesn’t even really matter. I think check/raising here is a huge spew after she bets this flop big. I don't hate a flop check, but I might prefer a small bet. But like I said, I do hate a check/raise here.

When you get there on the turn and the board just got superscary, a shove makes little sense to me. I would rather check or bet extremely small than shove.

Well we have 66% equity vs a 10% range, 62% against a 5% range so not sure what you're talking about.

are you picking that 5% at random? could you describe what the range looks like that bets IP and doesnt check behind given description?

Just xc the flop as played, Hero is folding out hands he wants to keep in.

That's irrelevant, AF was talking about hero's action on the flop, which was before villain got a chance to act.