President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Here is US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick's response to why tariffs are placed on Heard Island and McDonald Islands:"if you leave anything off the list, the countries that try to basically arbitrage America go through those countries to us,"..."The president knows that. He's tired of it, and he's going to fix that. So basically, he said, 'Look, I can't let any part of the
Wait, is he saying that China would have like slapped “Heard Island” stickers on all their **** to try and get around this?
That is both an obvious lie an enormously stupid.
This is pretty much everything coming out of this administration.
It's not stupid, because it would've happened and would've worked.
I've seen such things with my own eyes back in my small manufacturer days. People like Trump probably get ahead of such scams because people like Trump would've been the ones to do it.
after this nobody who didn't cancel the democratic party forever from his list of decent political options can use the "this is a religious cult" to describe any other group, for life
This post is dumb as **** you df.
One thing was slimy politicians doing a performative moment of silence to placate people with something symbolic. Yeah, it sucked, but it was kind of the opposite of a cult. It was cynical.
The other thing is worshipping the cult leader. These brainless Trump supporters are leading the USA into a Mao-like Cultural Revolution.
It's not stupid, because it would've happened and would've worked.
I've seen such things with my own eyes back in my small manufacturer days. People like Trump probably get ahead of such scams because people like Trump would've been the ones to do it.
Dude we’re not talking about American Joe saying he made his shirts here when he got it from China.
We’re talking about saying you got a China volume of stuff from an uninhabited island.
Get ready for a slew of these
Delta Air Lines warned that revenue could fall in the current quarter and that “growth has largely stalled,” as its CEO warned that he’s concerned the economy is likely to fall into a recession.
Dude we’re not talking about American Joe saying he made his shirts here when he got it from China.
We’re talking about saying you got a China volume of stuff from an uninhabited island.
Did YOU know this was an uninhabited island until the media started making fun of Trump over it? Do you think the guy in LA or Charleston processing the first major round of imports after targeted tariffs would've known?
I'm not talking about Made in USA vs Assembled in USA stickers, I'm talking about boxes I know damn well came from one country having an entirely different country of origin label on them.
Did YOU know this was an uninhabited island until the media started making fun of Trump over it? Do you think the guy in LA or Charleston processing the first major round of imports after targeted tariffs would've known?I'm not talking about Made in USA vs Assembled in USA stickers, I'm talking about boxes I know damn well came from one country having an entirely different cou
No I did not. Do you think the people who put that list together had heard of it or did it just happen to be on whatever list they pulled out of nowhere for this?
Yes I think that would have been a pretty obvious scam and shut down if someone brought a giant shipping container from an island that no one has ever heard of. At best it would work one time. You think they just see “Heard Island” on there and say “Welp, we never got anything from there in the history of our operation but it must be from there”. Like there’s no cross referencing or anything? Just cause people can scam a system some times doesn’t mean it’s totally useless.
How about the part of this where the numbers don’t even work anyways if this was actually their idea? Like if that’s your real motivation why don’t the tariff levels match across the board? They’re ok with getting scammed a little? How about that there are several similar random small territories that aren’t on the list at all?
Just to be clear, I’m saying they included these places out of incompetence and came up with the “arbitrage” thing after being mocked for it.
US Treasuries selling off, the exact opposite of what occurs in a flight-to-safety during economic upheaval. Nobody knows exactly why but a big possibility is China dumping them - they owned $750B at the start of this year. The dollar is also dropping, which is even more confounding and troubling.
China rumored to have sold 50bln in treasury to avoid a collapse of the yuan
I mean what is more likely:
1. Thinking far in advance of how to be taken advantage of via a loop hole
2. Mistakenly putting tariffs on uninhabited islands
I'm going to strongly go with (2) with this administration. As GTO2.0 stated above, even if they did use this "loop hole" it would have been closed quite quickly. Hence why I called the explanation peak sophistry and it is not the only example. If you think it is (1), then so be it; you have far more confidence in this administration's foresight than I do.
Congress can stop him, but are spineless ass kissers, and only a few of them are making vague farts about maybe being not being absolutely ecstatic with how things are going.
Maybe Elon can reel him in, which is a wholly depressing state to be in.
senate is ready to stop him and proved that already with the Grassley bill, problem is the house with the silly Hastert rule, need a majority of republicans, that's pretty hard to find to act against trump
Dude we’re not talking about American Joe saying he made his shirts here when he got it from China. We’re talking about saying you got a China volume of stuff from an uninhabited island.
Did YOU know this was an uninhabited island until the media started making fun of Trump over it? Do you think the guy in LA or Charleston processing the first major round of imports after targe
So exactly what stop countries to do that now?
Isn't 10% better than whatever china tariffs are?
Idk about russia sanctions, could goods transit through russia in the same way?
I mean what is more likely:1. Thinking far in advance of how to be taken advantage of via a loop hole2. Mistakenly putting tariffs on uninhabited islandsI'm going to strongly go with (2) with this administration. As GTO2.0 stated above, even if they did use this "loop hole" it would have been closed quite quickly. Hence why I called the explanation peak sophistry and it is not
Considering what we know about the tariffs and how they were calculated (1) is impossible. Anyone saying (1) is either very dumb or trolling or both. And it might not be possible to be literate and be that dumb.
No I did not. Do you think the people who put that list together had heard of it or did it just happen to be on whatever list they pulled out of nowhere for this? Yes I think that would have been a pretty obvious scam and shut down if someone brought a giant shipping container from an island that no one has ever heard of. At best it would work one time. You think they just see
My man, this type of fraud happens every single day in America right now. I'll grant you that it's been nearly 15 years since I've had to deal with international imports, but I can assure you that there weren't a lot of brainiacs working on the docks or in Customs.
Even if it did only happen "one time", if you bring in 100 containers of electronics with your one time, you've saved ungodly sums of money.
I won't speak to whether the numbers work or not. I was just pointing out how ludicrous your statement about it being a lie and/or stupid was. It happens every. single. day. https://frohsinbarger.com/customsfraud/c...
I mean what is more likely:1. Thinking far in advance of how to be taken advantage of via a loop hole2. Mistakenly putting tariffs on uninhabited islandsI'm going to strongly go with (2) with this administration. As GTO2.0 stated above, even if they did use this "loop hole" it would have been closed quite quickly. Hence why I called the explanation peak sophistry and it is not
It's 1 because they put tariffs even on San Marino (a microstate enclave in Italy). It's not a particularly insightful thing, pro-tariffs people have always said they (the tariffs) only work if they are global because of triangulations.
And we got a real life example with sanctions and Russia recently, and another one with Singapore importing 15-20 bln of chips after China couldn't anymore and so on.
This is not the same thing and it's dishonest to pretend it is. The voters who are against artificially high minimum wage come mostly in two flavors: free market purists and people who vote based on a sense of perceived "fairness."You can support having no minimum wage and also support people going out and getting as much as they deserve. Government shouldn't be involved in
I understand your "free market" labor argument. I intentionally tied min wage and general labor wages together.... because they ARE related.
I assume you have eyes and you've noticed that pretty much anywhere you go now in America, it roughly all looks the same. Big box retailers and food chains dominate every strip mall you can find. Without the proper guardrails, companies eventually monopolize their markets, and when they do this, they can control local wages. And what ends up happening is, they don't pay their workers living wages, because there are no guardrails to do so if the minimum required pay, couldn't feed a teenager living at home w/ their parents.
I assume you know the rest of the story by now... corporations don't end up doing the right thing, and there are no laws to ensure they will, so they don't. And that worker who has a shortage in living wages, applies for government assistance to survive, either through housing subsidies and/or snap and other food programs.
And I think you know who pays for that.
I wish your story worked... I really do... but we have decades of proof it doesn't.
Someone successfully faking an export location of "Singapore" does not imply that they could successfully fake an export location of "Heard Island", but you know that and you know that's not why it happened and are just trolling.
Do they even follow that any more? It seems like if they don't have 90%+ leadership is in trouble.
It's 1 because they put tariffs even on San Marino (a microstate enclave in Italy). It's not a particularly insightful thing, pro-tariffs people have always said they (the tariffs) only work if they are global because of triangulations.And we got a real life example with sanctions and Russia recently, and another one with Singapore importing 15-20 bln of chips after China could
Are there other uninhabited islands that were not affected by the tariffs?
My man, this type of fraud happens every single day in America right now. I'll grant you that it's been nearly 15 years since I've had to deal with international imports, but I can assure you that there weren't a lot of brainiacs working on the docks or in Customs.Even if it did only happen "one time", if you bring in 100 containers of electronics with your one time, you've sa
It definitely happens every single day with the current system with massive amounts of stuff from large trade partners going in and out. No denying that.
You think that’s the same thing as suddenly bringing in stuff from an unknown place immediately after a highly publicized tariff plan goes into effect and it just happens to be not on the list?
Why you giving these brain geniuses the benefit of the doubt? Don’t you think the tariffs suck anyways?
This suggests 2 million uninhabited islands exist.
So 1,999,998?
But realistically, it probably is about NAMED uninhabited islands. I'm gonna guess between 1000 and 10,000
Were the other uninhabited islands used as a country of origin of any import (even if they are an external australian territory) to the USA in the last 10+ years?
because Heard Island and McDonald Islands were
It was a genuine question. I wasn't asking in a tongue-in-cheek manner. If the islands were used as a country of origin for an import previously, then having implemented tariffs on them would be more in line with their current logic and rhetoric. Would you post a link with evidence of that, please?
