playing a draw out of position
1-2 nlhe 400 max 8 handed
Hero SB ~ 350
Villain CO covers plays a Lag style.
Folds to V who raises to $6. Villain has been raising frequently for various sizes. from $6 to $25.
Hero Ac4c 3! to $20
BB folds V calls
pre($36 after rake) 8 2 3 rainbow with one club
Hero Cbets for $20
V calls
turn ($75) Qc
H barrels $50
V calls
river ($175) 8s
Hero's action?
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Pre is depending on villain. A4s has pretty good playability and I feel like this is the kind of hand where we don't mind a call from BB? I don't know. I just feel like playing marginal hands OOP in 3bet pots is somewhat unnecessary on 1/2.
I think flop is okay. If he finds folds two over cards it is not a terrible result.
Not sure I like the big barrel on turn. Would you bet that big against a (pocket) pair if you had it? If he raises big, you might need to give up 12 or potentially 15 outs. I think I like a check here. With implied odds you can safely call any reasonable bet. If you think he frequently floats or bets his marginal hands , you might even check/raise, targeting smaller pairs. And even a check behind is not a terrible result with ace high.
River seems a terrible card to continue to barrel.
Not sure I like the big barrel on turn
I thought the Q played into my range more than his, plus I had several outs if he called.
Would you bet that big against a (pocket) pair if you had it?
Not sure I understand. If I had a big pocket pair than yes I'm betting 2/3 pot here. IF I put Villain on a Big pair than no. I would decide between a check or a small blocker bet. I thought Villain had an 8, small PP, or a draw like 45 or A5. This guy could also have A2, A3 or maybe he called the flop looking for a runner flush.
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River seems a terrible card to continue to barrel.
I thought so too
Happily jamming here to put max pressure on JJ-99. Queen is a good turn card, it's not like he's calling a big flop bet with QJ
I thought the Q played into my range more than his, plus I had several outs if he called.Not sure I understand. If I had a big pocket pair than yes I'm betting 2/3 pot here. IF I put Villain on a Big pair than no. I would decide between a check or a small blocker bet. I thought Villain had an 8, small PP, or a draw like 45 or A5. This guy could also have A2, A3 or maybe he call
What I meant is: If you had Qx would you bet that big into villain if you assumed that he had 66 or similar? I guess my point is that I would make the turn bet with Qx somewhat smaller unless I am convinced he would call a big turn and river bet with a marginal hand, at least on 1/2. Therefore I would also bet my (semi)bluffs smaller. The big bet screams "I am barreling this scare card" and I don't expect too many folds honestly. Plus his draws (which you are dominating for most parts and wanting to stick around) are probably more likely to call a smaller bet.
It doesn't matter too much though because I prefer a check on the turn in the first place. Could be wrong though.
Happily jamming here to put max pressure on JJ-99. Queen is a good turn card, it's not like he's calling a big flop bet with QJ
This is 1/2. Is it a good play to bluff jam a bad river card 125 BB deep? Plus he certainly has a couple of queens in his range. With QJ he can continue on a Q, J, T or 9 (+ flush draws if he is suited) so I don't think a call with QJ against a 1/2 pot size bet in position is that much of a stretch.
Why is the 8 bad for us? Does he have so many 8x?
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Why is the 8 bad for us? Does he have so many 8x?
Villain has been wide. He is the type to call pre with an 8. He called on the flop. The 8 didn't scare him on the flop. And I don't think he is the type to put me on a range and fold a hand with showdown value.
The 8 didn't help me. And I don't know if he has so many 8s. But he is more likely to have an 8 than me.
Pre-flop is too small. I would go $30 here against the unusually small open. I do like 3betting to attack the weak late position open but for this size the LAG will call his entire range so you are going to be in tons of difficult spots.
I think I like check/raising turn. The LAG will float the cbet very wide to try and bluff you off AK on later streets. Let him bluff (or monkey bet with a hand like 66) and then drop the hammer.
I think check/call is probably good too. Betting is my least favorite of the 3 options but I understand it. Hard to go on the turn with this much equity.
As played I think I would check river here. I don’t feel good about getting him to fold QX (or 8X lol) and you have some SDV.
LAGs don't call bets. They make bets. LAGs also fancy themselves as opposite players. When a LAG is calling, that's a bad sign.
The way to beat LAGs is to let them try to push you off a hand, not try to push them off a hand. I like the 3 bet pf and the flop bet. After that, I'm shutting down.
You described V as a "LAG" but then never gave him a chance to bet, and your sizes discourage a raise. V is completely uncapped and jamming river is suicide. AP, this is probably a x/f. V could have anything, including boats. He had no opportunity to bet and little incentive to raise his strong stuff.
Against an aggressive player, I am going to check flop OOP most of the time. With this hand my plan would be to x/c flop and x/r turn. If he checks back the turn we can consider a bluff OTR, but only if we are confident he would bet an 8 most of the time on the turn and when we bluff we can go small targeting unpaired Ax, Kx.
PRE - seems fine. I'd probably raise bigger, like $25.
FLOP - I'd check range when HU and OOP as the PFR. Really no point in c-betting this flop.
TURN - Barreling seems okay, but as played on the flop, I think we can just check, and possibly check-raise with our combo draw. If we're going to bet, I'd over-bet, not bet 2/3 pot.
RIVER - Think we can bet $100, just hoping to fold out better AX and some PP's like 55-77.
I really don't like any of our options on the river, because of how we got here.
Hand results
Hero checks.
Villain checks. He also hovers his cards over the muck pile expecting to be beat.
I pause. Villain waits with his cards in a circling pattern like aircraft burning off fuel before a crash landing.
Hero says ace high and turns over his cards.
Villain turns over 5 2 off with one club and bottom pair for the win.
This guy called two streets expecting to have the losing hand.
I made a mental note not to bluff this guy.
It seems that we found the perfect V to bluff; we just need to be willing to go three streets. What we learned about V in this hand:
1. V got super sticky with bottom pair and no real draw.
2. V was IP and convinced that he lost, but checked down the river in a spot that should be a very easy bluff.
Therefore, V is overcalling flops and turns while underbluffing rivers.
Our adjustment should be to bet more frequently on the flop and turn when we have value or when we have a good candidate to go 3-streets. Note that we don't necessarily have to bet first, a x/r OTT probably would have gotten the job done. The only unknown we have is whether or not V would have tried betting the turn. I strongly suspect he would have. Next time I was OOP against this V, I would try to x/r light OTT and see how he responds. When I'm IP, I would bet very frequently with my value and go thin for value on rivers. For my bluffs, I'd look to set up a pattern of bet, bet, bomb with combos I'm fine with pushing hard.
I'd bluff more frequently when draws come in, knowing that V has too many combos he will float with that aren't draws.
Now if V shows a willingness to call us down with bottom pair. Then we would have to adjust again and simply smash our value into him. But given your description of his behavior, I think he had no intention of calling a third barrel. Unfortunately, you were just in a position where 3-barrels can turn ugly when he does have a real hand. Another adjustment we can make is when we do want to bluff, we should focus our bluffs on the river. It's easier for bottom pair to call the turn where V can at least imagine they have outs to two pair or trips, than to call the river where bottom pair is what it is. Bet the turn only when we are willing to go 3 streets, otherwise check turn to x/r or bluff river instead of bluffing turn.
Vs who are willing to call our bluffs on flop and turn, then turn up on the river super weak means you will print with your 3-barrel bluffs. You win more when they call twice before folding. If V is going to do that, you want to bluff them a lot. I'd prefer to do it IP for the 3-barrels, and aim for 2-barrels OOP.
I'm with Yamihere. He's bluffable. We just need to bluff better.
We've pegged V as a "LAG", but I would put the emphasis on the loose part, not the aggro part of that read. He's calling big bets with a garbage hand on a dry and disconnected board. We just need to dial in the right adjustment to exploit the hell out of him.
The first thing I'd try is delaying our c-bet until the turn, and barreling through on the river. If he calls down light, then I'd see if he calls when we bet three streets with value. If he over-folds when we bet three streets, then we can start running some three street bluffs on him. If he's calling three streets with garbage, then I'd say he's unbluffable. Either way, we know we can go for thin value against him.
The other adjustment I'd make is over-folding if he wakes up and starts shoveling money into the pot.
I would size bigger on every street. If he's opening between 6 and 25 cold and this time in CO to 6 you should be making this at least 30 imo, but okay 20$.
Flop we can check or bet pot. Depends a bit on my image, probably leaning towards a large bet. I don't like half pot sizing, doesn't accomplish anything, even better Ace-high is calling us.
Turn is a great card to barrel. I'd go over pot. Like 125.
Rive I give up, he has 8x all day.
Edit: saw result - yea this is why you need to go larger. He has so many one-pair hands, I don't know why people are ranging him at 99-JJ lol, there's a ton of crap that opens 6$ and calls a 20$ bet IP. And you had a ton of equity against that range.