Villain after hand said my 5bet was big??
1/3 Home game started short handed then I think 7~8 handed in actual hand.
I think I might have played with villain before but wasn't sure.
Villain is aggro for sure. Opens alot, 3bet some. Later in game he even tried bluff raising turn/riv a huge whale mulitple times for stacks.
Hero is probably a nit or tag every session besides this one because we started short handed.
HH1 there was a straddle, V o in sb to 30, H 3bets to 85. Flop KT4scc Vx, H cbets 55, V calls. Turn 5s Vx Hx, Riv 2s V bets 110, H c, V had TJ, H mucks. V said he wasn't vbetting???
Actual hand
Effective stacks 750ish
I think there was a straddle again.
V in MP opens to 25, H in MP+1 3bets to 85 w/AKo. V 4bets to 190. H ships. V tank call w/99.
Later V said how I was 5betting 'big'. Saying I would flat the 4b with AA.
Is this 5bet really big? I mean V sticked 25% of his stack, this 5bet gave V some fold equity as well. If V had 30+% in the pot, he literally call with any2. I said it was a small 5bet, V said it was big, small is like 2.5x???? what?
This was just a standard 5bet ship in my eyes. It's from the calculations and the way he plays, and it's standard from online plays experience. lol
So people don't have a 5bet jamming range live at all?
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Everything is ranges.
Been discussed in a bunch of random threads, but it's pretty common leak for a lot of low stakes players to shove AK in your spot and call or raise smaller with AA.
If you shove at least KK, it's probably fine. Everyone always puts others on AK.
As an exploit it might be better to shove AA and min. raise AK, but if you do it too much you'll get caught and be in guessing games.
HH1 I wonder what you had ... AQ? Given what V said though he might be not thinking well, or doing/saying random stuff for whatever reason.
Everything is ranges.Been discussed in a bunch of random threads, but it's pretty common leak for a lot of low stakes players to shove AK in your spot and call or raise smaller with AA.If you shove at least KK, it's probably fine. Everyone always puts others on AK.As an exploit it might be better to shove AA and min. raise AK, but if you do it too much you'll get caught and be
I had 99
In game he picked up on my strategy saying I was playing 3bet/fold.
Btw, does min5betting work? lol
1/3 Home game started short handed then I think 7~8 handed in actual hand.I think I might have played with villain before but wasn't sure.Villain is aggro for sure. Opens alot, 3bet some. Later in game he even tried bluff raising turn/riv a huge whale mulitple times for stacks.Hero is probably a nit or tag every session besides this one because we started short handed.HH1 the
Shipping with AKo is ok in theory, not necessarily the best in practice, it depends on the player. Sizings were good by both parties, his call with 99 was bad.
Everything is ranges.Been discussed in a bunch of random threads, but it's pretty common leak for a lot of low stakes players to shove AK in your spot and call or raise smaller with AA.If you shove at least KK, it's probably fine. Everyone always puts others on AK.As an exploit it might be better to shove AA and min. raise AK, but if you do it too much you'll get caught and be
If you only call 4bets with AA, it's a leak. But since we should have a 4bet calling range that's consisting of middling hands like JJ, TT, AQs, flatting vs 4bets with AA should be done at least some of the time.
I had 99
In game he picked up on my strategy saying I was playing 3bet/fold.
Btw, does min5betting work? lol
If this was online and the opening sizes were appropriate, i.e 2.5bb RFI, 8.5bb 3bet, 24bb 4bet, then you can't ship for 230bb or if you do, you are very nutted.
In a live game with the action like that and effective stack of only 750, all my 5-bets are jams and I expect to be called 60-70% of the time (based on 10,000+ hrs of live play over the years). JJ+/AK (yes, incl AA and KK) is always a ship. You can go looser villain-dependent (i.e. if the villain is very loose/getting out of line too much, I could ship AQ or 99 as well as flat a hand like KJs).
No reason to overanalyze what that particular villain is saying. Based on the two hands mentioned, he is not very good.
In a live game with the action like that and effective stack of only 750, all my 5-bets are jams and I expect to be called 60-70% of the time (based on 10,000+ hrs of live play over the years). JJ+/AK (yes, incl AA and KK) is always a ship. You can go looser villain-dependent (i.e. if the villain is very loose/getting out of line too much, I could ship AQ or 99 as well as flat
His words striked me because he's literally saying no one in live 5 bet jam with any range.
99% of poker advice I get in live games is either obvious stuff or says a lot more about the person saying it than it does about my game.
IMO you could probably have a default 5bet range that consists of exactly AA in most live 1/3 lineups, exceptions being if you're going to play the same people for very many hours so that they can exploit you, or some player has a 4bet range that you can exploit.
There's a common assumption that low stakes players are more apt to 4B-jam/5B-jam with AK than AA, because AK wants folds and AA doesn't. And AK wants to see all five cards, whereas AA doesn't. So if someone jams pre, the assumption says we should call with PP's, because we're more likely to be up against AK than an over-pair.
I disagree, because I'm happy to jam AA/KK in spots like this, whereas I'm hesitant to stack off with QQ/AK. My thinking is that some low stakes players don't have a 3B-fold range, and a lot can't 4B-fold. So we should be more willing to jam AA/KK and more likely to call with AK.
If you're only starting $750 eff, your only 5B size over his $190 4B is all in. So, no, your size is not too big. He's probably just saying he thinks you'd flat with AA, and jam AK, which is why he called with 99.
