JJ in 4 bet pot
$400 Hard Rock tournament. I have about 55k, starting stack 20k. I wake up with JJ UTG or UTG+1, open to 2000 at 400/800/800 blind level, aggressive player flats CO, tight, good player 3-bets to 6500 on the button. He has me covered. Haven't seen him show down a bluff, but he's active enough that a light squeeze is possible. I 4 bet to 16k planning to fold to a 5 bet. CO folds. BU thinks for a while and calls. (36k). Flop 772, 2 clubs, I have no club. I bet 12k and, again after considerable hesitation, he jams for roughly 40k.
Action? Also, should I have just called the 3 bet pre? Checked flop? Feels like we should be able to avoid stacking off here with 70 BBs but maybe that's too tight.
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70BBs isn't as relevant as the fact that you have 54k back going to the flop with a pot of 36k.
I'm not so sure about the 4-bet here. I think once you get here this way you have to call off the rest though.
He shipped it for 40k total, not 40k more, so on the flop I actually only had 40k vs 36k pot.
Oh, I was counting your total stack, not his.
In that case, uh, same advice, but slightly moreso.
Agreed that there's no way out post (although there's very little we beat)...more curious about the 4 bet. The solver doesn't have solutions for 70 BBs, but it 4 bets/calls about 50/50 with 80 BBs and calls about 80/20 with 60 BBs.
I think I would flat the button raise bc it keeps the range in that we do very well against. When we 4!, what does he continue with? AK+ 10-10+? Maybe even tighter if player is more snug.
I think I would call 3! And call down on boards we have an overpair. If villian checks back flop, we bet turns with an overpair. As played, smart opponents aren’t going to 5! Kk or AA bc spr is low and they can just take you to town when it’s a flop you have overpair. Btw I hate these spots as signified in another hand I posted. I feel I would sigh fold here against non super anggro opponents. I don’t think folks are jamming AK here unless they have flush draw with it.
In general JJ is not a hand to use for 4bet fold. Either you can 4bet jam, or 4bet/stackoff or call. 4bet jam is maybe a little less interesting here because BTN used a very small 3bet. I would hesitate calling him "good" after seeing that sizing.
Also would recommend you open to like 1600-1800. It is not super important, but especially from early positions its better to use standard small opens (2x-2,3x). If you want to open 2,5x somewhere, I'd do it on BTN.
In general JJ is not a hand to use for 4bet fold. Either you can 4bet jam, or 4bet/stackoff or call. 4bet jam is maybe a little less interesting here because BTN used a very small 3bet. I would hesitate calling him "good" after seeing that sizing.Also would recommend you open to like 1600-1800. It is not super important, but especially from early positions its better to use sta
Agree with this. I like opening smaller especially if stacks are more on the shallow side. Aka if average stack is say 40-60bb, I like opening smaller to like 2-2.2x. Normally will got 1600-1800 like said above however I tend to think difference doesn’t exist so 1600 is fine. Keeps 3! Sizes smaller and gives us a tad more maneuverability post flop.
I’m fine with a bb defending to a min bc we can just cbet all flops that favor our range vs what they call with and play some poker on turn and river if need be- aka people tend to overfold to even small cbet sizes when they don’t connect.
Also don’t like turning jj into a fold to a 5!. Folding to AK in this spot is no fun.
When you say "good player 3-bets to 6500 on the BTN" is he good because he is aggressive when he 3-bets? Or is he good because he wins? In this case BTN's 3-bet is way short and indicates he wants callers. It feels like a monster and not a hand like 87s/A5s.
I probably just call preflop and go set mining. I would check call this flop and have a tough choice on the turn that isn't A/K/Q.
As played I don't think I 4-bet pre-flop unless its against a wide 3-bet raiser to try to get it HU against AK/AQ/SC/A5s type hands. But at this 3-bet sizing I think there are a lot of QQ+ hand here.
As played I do think we have to lead out this flop or by under repping our hand we pretty much have to call anyway. I think I fold to the jam but it is possible Villain has AKs/AQs/AJs and a flush draw. I doubt Villain has 88-TT or any bluff since we are repping hands like AA/KK.
4betting is really bad here imo - you really don't know his squeezing range here and when you 4b you're basically declaring you have JJ+,AQ+ and you're towards the bottom of this range. I'd just call pre and see where things go. These tournaments are usually very soft so when you have a bigger stack you should be able to chip up in small pots without showing down - spots like this are really bad esp given how soft the field is.
