President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
ALL Republicans are fascistic in nature, not just MAGA, although I would only call the most extreme 20% or so Nazis.
The point is, I'm so sick of this separation of "MAGA" and "Republicans" in the discourse. What is so different with Trump's actually policy platform, such that it exists, compared W's or Reagan's? Countless similarities. Trump posts funnier tweets...
everybody has forgotten the breadth of the evil of past Republicans
Both the unabomber and Kamala like pizza, think family is important, loved people of the opposite sex and thought it was a good idea to wear a coat when it was cold outside. Again, if this sounds stupid to you it should. The comparison of hitler and trump is just incredible stupid.
They're actually more alike than not alike.
Using dehumanizing language, admiration for authoritarians, polarizing societies, targeting minority groups, undermining democratic institutions, cult of personality, use of propaganda and attacking the free press, racial and nationalistic ideologies, holding constant mass rallies, questioning election legitimacy, disregard for international norms, etc.. I'm sure I'm missing some things. Do you disagree with any of the things listed?
Trump isn't remotely sufficiently intelligent, ambitious, or ideological enough to be Hitler. Trump has very little in terms of a political project except on the things that can benefit him directly. And to my last point, other recent Republicans advocated for and/or passed policies that are just as authoritarian in nature as Trump has. PATRIOT Act, anyone?
Trump may have a unique personality, but he is actually reasonably standard in terms of enacting Republicans' agenda. A few exceptions.
Your arguments falls apart when you realize all of these all apply to dems in the last 5 years. I think between BLM riots, Covid policies, threatening social media companies what they should allow on their sites, lying about the Biden laptop and lying about trump being a Russian asset 8 years ago should cover all of these.
Ok, explain how BLM did the things on the list.
As a side note, you are not well-informed on "social media threats" and lying about Biden's laptop. I'm not sure if you're truth obtuse, but social media companies were never pressured. They were given info to look out for Russian misinformation, because of election interference threats, and held back a story as a result. It was a judgment call by THEM. There can be a separate debate about whether that was a good call, but you're parroting misinformation, and I'm sure you don't want to do that. Not interested in re-litigating this... just pointing out you aren't taking an honest look at the facts, because you want to believe something else.
Instead of making comparisons to Hitler, why not make comparisons to other leaders that did this type of stuff but didn't kill millions of people and engage in warfare on foreign soil?Are the comparisons to Hitler being made because everyone knows Hitler was bad so it makes Trump look worse, or because you think he'll start gassing people and sending armies north to Canada and
I never mentioned Hitler. I mentioned nazis. Maga behaviour is incredibly similar to 1930s nazis.
Trump isn't remotely sufficiently intelligent, ambitious, or ideological enough to be Hitler. Trump has very little in terms of a political project except on the things that can benefit him directly. And to my last point, other recent Republicans advocated for and/or passed policies that are just as authoritarian in nature as Trump has. PATRIOT Act, anyone?Trump may have a u
I think most people would agree with that. It doesn't mean that he's not functioning a lot like him currently, or using a similar playbook. But I don't personally think he will likely ever be the same. The problem is, it's nazi adjacent, and many of the cult followers would follow that same path if given the opportunity. That's my personal biggest concern.
A little insight into how Diaper Donnie thinks:
Trump says he thinks that Putin is doing what "anyone else would do"
I never mentioned Hitler. I mentioned nazis. Maga behaviour is incredibly similar to 1930s nazis.
ok. Godwin's Law covers both Hitler and Nazi
Dem politicians widely supported the BLM riots despite them checking, or attempting to check, the following boxes:
Bullying opposition [x]
Not putting up with dissent of any kind [x]
Using intimidation and threats of violence [x]
Deliberately targeting people and organisations that do not agree [x]
Undermining democracy [x]
Undermining rule of law [x]
Close association of paramilitary groups [x]
Attacking the press [x]
Scapegoating anyone different [x]
Blaming the different for all issues [x]
Centralizing power/removing power from democrating institutions [x]
Exploiting democratic conventions that assume reasonable behaviour to dismantle democratic processes [x]
If we can use diebitters checklist of what makes a nazi a nazi dems are far closer, but both dems and repubs are far enough away that it is beyond silly to compare either party to nazi. However, I understand the dem idea that if you can't compete on policy you have to personally attack your opposition. However, they've been doing it for 9 years now and I think it is already old in a lot of voters minds.
I think the only saving grace may be that most of hitler's motivations were ideological and he wasn't stupid. Trump is just a narcissistic buffoon.
Ideological somewhat, but mainly hatred driven by paranoid insanity. Trump, right. They aren't remotely the same person but they don't have to be to for the US to end up in a similar place if everything goes wrong.
and I care because...?
Let's try another saying.
If it walks like a duck, and swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a ...?
Your arguments falls apart when you realize all of these all apply to dems in the last 5 years. I think between BLM riots, Covid policies, threatening social media companies what they should allow on their sites, lying about the Biden laptop and lying about trump being a Russian asset 8 years ago should cover all of these.
I meant to also include the fact that a lot of dem politicians supported their supporters going to the homes of supreme court justices to try to intimidate them into changing a ruling. For good measure we can throw in the violent rhetoric that some dem politicians used encouraging their supporters to confront repub politicians in public.
There are so many instances of dem supported political violence that it is tough to remember all of them. Please forgive me for my omission.
Dem politicians widely supported the BLM riots despite them checking, or attempting to check, the following boxes:Bullying opposition [x]Not putting up with dissent of any kind [x]Using intimidation and threats of violence [x]Deliberately targeting people and organisations that do not agree [x]Undermining democracy [x]Undermining rule of law [x]Close association of paramilitary
lol you are a bit mental
Dem politicians widely supported the BLM riots despite them checking, or attempting to check, the following boxes:Bullying opposition [x]Not putting up with dissent of any kind [x]Using intimidation and threats of violence [x]Deliberately targeting people and organisations that do not agree [x]Undermining democracy [x]Undermining rule of law [x]Close association of paramilitary
Ok... so it's the exact same in your mind. One group that is speaking out against police brutality of their people vs a group that is removing books, attacking our capitol, and undermining and destroying our institutions.
Same thing. Got it.
So how did BLM do the following? Or if you want to say the Democratic party, since you moved goal posts a bit. Either one is fine.
Target people that don't agree
Attack the press
Undermining democracy
Undermining rule of law (doing unlawful actions, doesn't mean undermining rules and norms)
Centralizing power/removing power from democrating institutions
Exploiting democratic conventions that assume reasonable behaviour to dismantle democratic processes
Close association of paramilitary groups (I'm guessing you're going to say antifa... but... )
And then if you have time... point to a model of where Republican policy has actually worked for the working class. You can use other countries if you need to. ty
and I care because...?
Let's try another saying.
If it walks like a duck, and swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a ...?
Nazi?
And then if you have time... point to a model of where Republican policy has actually worked for the working class. You can use other countries if you need to. ty
Yeah, that's the kicker. As far as fiscal policy goes, they are working for the benefit of the already wealthy and to the detriment of most of their constituents. But fortunately for them most of their constituents aren't all that bright.
That's not godwin law lul.
If your starting point is Trump and MAGAs are and/or alike nazis, it's not godwin's law to hammer it.
Yeah, that's the kicker. As far as fiscal policy goes, they are working for the benefit of the already wealthy and to the detriment of most of their constituents. But fortunately for them most of their constituents aren't all that bright.
I've asked this question since I was a teen. I've gotten zero real answers.
Now consider the impact of societies as it relates to childhood poverty, and the long term results on health, crime, eduction, culture. America has the second-highest rate of childhood poverty (~21%) among developed nations. A lot of these issues could be resolved, and improve our GDP and societal health by tackling just this one issue alone.
Democrats have tried to get several different approaches to tackling this since I've been alive. All opposed by the GOP.
Do you know what it would cost America in terms of it's GDP to solve this?
An estimated .35% - .60% of our GDP.
Truly forward thinking.
And the countries who have the lowest rates of childhood poverty (between 2-4%), happen to have the healthiest, happiest, best educated, most business friendly, with the greatest amount of economic mobility, in the world.
Let that sink in.
The real answer is that some people hate anyone getting away with something so much that they will choose worse outcomes for everyone to avoid it.
Drug laws actually make the problem worse? Doesn't matter, can't let people get away with it.
Immigration is beneficial and everyone is better off if you do amnesty? Doesn't matter. People broke the law. They cut line. Can't let them get away with it.
Means testing costs more than it saves? Doesn't matter, can't let people get away with it.
Helping people? Doesn't matter, welfare queens can't get away with it.
So you think you'd be incentivized to remove the crack heads, and replace them with functioning members of society?
The data is overwhelming in this area, and the Democratic Party has tried to tackle it bit by bit over the years w/ things like head start, TANF, and child tax credit expansions. There's just too much opposition to real and long term solutions. And even these are continually undermined by the GOP.
I've asked this question since I was a teen. I've gotten zero real answers.Now consider the impact of societies as it relates to childhood poverty, and the long term results on health, crime, eduction, culture. America has the second-highest rate of childhood poverty (~21%) among developed nations. A lot of these issues could be resolved, and improve our GDP and societal health
Divide
And
Rule
Unfortunately the Dems agree.
You didn't answer my question. I'm granting that people make racist decisions all the time without being a racist. I suggested that sometimes people might make racist decisions because they are cynical opportunists that don't care about the negative effects of their decisions on other people. Hence I'm not assuming that Trump's long-ago racist business decisions or more recent
Who could you honestly say put the interests of minorities above their personal interests? I'd agree Trump doesn't, but who does?
The real answer is that some people hate anyone getting away with something so much that they will choose worse outcomes for everyone to avoid it.Drug laws actually make the problem worse? Doesn't matter, can't let people get away with it. Immigration is beneficial and everyone is better off if you do amnesty? Doesn't matter. People broke the law. They cut line. Can't let
I genuinely wish people in this thread would consider that there's an achievable better way. And the reason these things aren't getting done is because the goal is to keep people monetarily enslaved as much as possible. It all seems extremely obvious (and I know some people on the right get this), but we have massive media infrastructures tearing the left and right apart, and convincing everyone we're Israel / Palestine, so they can intentionally maintain a "lord of the flies" type workforce and culture. It's all pretty sick.
Any ways... you guys all have a good weekend, and do something kind for someone. It makes us all better when we do.
