First hand insane pocket 99s $3k pot drops piano!
No reads never seen any of these blokes before but they're playing deep and i mean super deep for a 2/5 table 5k$ is the lowest stack other then my initial buyin of 1k feeling real uncomfortable but I waited 40 minutes to get my seat so here we go!
Waited for BB to post
HERO 9c9h bb (eff 1000$)
Utg raises 15$ older guy maybe 60 or 70yo
Utg+ 1 calls
Co calls
Fold to Hero raises 65$, call, call, 3! 300$ (this guy is the chip leader with around 8k and middle aged Asian i know this is a squeeze so f him)
Calls around
Flop
6h 7h 3s (pot 1200$)
Hero wastes no time bets $250, fold, utg+1 tank calls, CO tank calls
Turn
Qh (pot 1950$)
Hero?
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Wait am I seeing this right? We squeezed then get back4bet??? And we still call oop???
I think we just ship or fold to the back4bet.
Flop we donk?? what??
I dunno what's going on here.
imho, back4bets are usually split into 2 categories
1) slowplayed premiums waiting/trapping for a squeeze to back4bet. Usually does this if there are crazy aggro guys sitting behind them.
2) non believer ~ believes his hand is strong than the aggressive squeezer ~ ranges (AQ, low pocketpairs up to like 99).
As dango said, preflop is fold or shove once it's backraised...and how is the flop anything but a shove with an overpair and SPR<1???
I've learned from experience jamming even with an overpair after a big pre bet will most likely induce more callers that just don't believe and think your trying to just buy it instead of a large bet flop followed by a large bet/jam turn looking much stronger.
Don't get me wrong I was thinking of jamming flop, but idk why i just didn't believe any of them had anything call it intuition idk some times you just have those times you really really feel it and just know the villains have nothing. Honestly the only guy I was worried about was the guy that folded what was most likely the best hand thinking jacks or tens.
This hand is a massive trainwreck wtf
I don't like preflop and the thought process behind it.
Your first decision could easily be a call. It's an old guy opening utg. But ok, if you want to 3bet that needs to be larger so you don't automatically go 4 ways out of position with a medium pocket pair.
Then there is the read on the main villain. He could have flat called the first time bc, you know it's an old guy opening utg. But when the old guy just flats your small 3b, main villain can be more confident with say TT or AKo. Or he was trapping to begin with but now the pot is getting larger
And overall, having just sat down, your read goes from "I don't know these blokes" to "he's a big stack Asian guy, this squeeze is fos". Hmm.
You have succeeded in building a massive pot with a weak bluff catcher OOP. This spew is not how to play deep stacked.
I respect raises from old guys in EP and 99 with a discount from the BB is perfectly fine to call and set mine.
AP, after the back4!, calling OOP is the worst option. Depending on reads, I would jam or fold. Jamming is basically a bluff but will probably get through everything but AK/QQ+ which is going to be your perceived range as well so some V’s may even consider folding QQ/AKo. You are likely folding out TT/JJ and a whole bunch of coin flips, and if he calls with AK there is plenty of dead money overlay.
Your 1/5 pot flop donk is terrible. It’s the classic “bet to find out where I’m at.
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I really thought that both of these guys were just FOS u know when you get that feeling really really strongly... anyways so didn't think long before I flipped in a chip and said all in. UTG+1 thought for a pretty long time before going all in himself. Asian guy snap folded. I turn my cards over without even looking asking what his are and say I need some help and UTG+1 shows 67 off river card is a Qc. The old man would have called me had I jammed on the flop he said he had jacks, but took my bet sizing as KK or AA looking for value.
You and the guy who 4! played it better than the guy with 76o.
I was pretty sure that 4! guy had AK, but yes 76 off played terrible he shoulda jammed that flop.
to be honest here though why was he still in the hand for 300 pre?? because of the initial 15 or the raise to 65? gotta wonder....
