Would you ever fold AK on a K98 board in a 3-bet pot?
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~$900 deep
SB - Unknown fishy player. Usually bets big when he has something.
Hero(HJ) A♥K♠ raises to $20, SB 3bets to $100, Hero calls
Flop($205) K♣ 9♥ 8♥
SB bets $150, Hero calls
Turn($505) 9♣
SB shoves for $650, Hero - ?
To justify calling here, my opponent needs to have hands like JTs, QJs, and some KQ in his range. I highly doubt he takes this line with those hands. Players at these stakes do tend to overplay top pairs, which is pretty common, but the hand started with his massive 3-bet...
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Would not fold flop. Might fold pre, and definitely folding turn.
I can't imagine folding unless you think he only has AK/AA. If you have some live soul read that we aren't aware of then so be it, but on paper this seems like a clear call esp saying they overplay top pair.
I think you can fold here against a fish. You might be chopping sometimes, and he might be overplaying a hand like KQhh sometimes, but he is probably rarely bluffing and mostly just has AA.
Pre and flop seem fine FWIW.
I can't imagine folding unless you think he only has AK/AA. If you have some live soul read that we aren't aware of then so be it, but on paper this seems like a clear call esp saying they overplay top pair.
It's difficult to come up with a villain range, giving reads and this runout, that isn't heavily weighted towards AK/KK/AA.
Yeesh...
I mean... I wouldn't rule out that V has some PP lower than KK and is spaz-jamming for protection because the board is so wet. The big 3B size always has me thinking V has JJ/TT and doesn't want to play a big SPR post.
The thing is, he could be jamming AA/KK for the same reasons. But our hand and the board blocks so many of those combos.
I don't think this is some combo draw often enough to worry about it. Doubtful he's 3B'ing all those hands pre, and getting this flop/turn, and betting so small on the flop.
It'd be hard for me to fold here. I'd just be giving him all the big PP's, and we beat most of that range. He could also have AK, but he can't have AKhh or AKcc, so he's not free rolling us.
We didn't raise-call pre to flop TPTK and fold, so... I guess we close our eyes and call.
It's difficult to come up with a villain range, giving reads and this runout, that isn't heavily weighted towards AK/KK/AA.
Really just depends what his 3b range is - OP should have a much better idea than us. If he's 3bing QQ+,AK then yea I agree with you, but if he's wider than that there's plenty of hands to justify calling.
Be nice to know why the villain is fishy. Limping and calling lots of hands. Over plays weak hands? Raising two napkins?
If he's mostly limping, I fold pf. I'm calling the person over playing hands and the napkins person.
Really just depends what his 3b range is - OP should have a much better idea than us. If he's 3bing QQ+,AK then yea I agree with you, but if he's wider than that there's plenty of hands to justify calling.
If a fish who "usually bets big when he has something" 3-bets big pre, I put his range at all combos of AA and KK, maybe half of QQ and AK, and maybe 1/4 of JJ and TT.
When he bets flop, that doesn't really narrow his range much, but when he blasts away with an overbet OTT, that is almost always AK+ afraid of the wet board. Might we be folding a chop? Absolutely. But we're almost never folding a winner. Even if we give him all the AK combos, we'd have to also put some lower PP in there to be getting the right price, and 1) that's really optimistic and 2) he probably doesn't have all the AK combos because fish don't always 3-bet it.
This is a tough one, but given description I think turn is a fold. As stated, we shouldn't be too much better than a chop.
Is it a call without the Ah?
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We don't have many better hands here so we have to call some ak I think. We have 4 boats and AKhh that are better. That leaves 11 combos of ak. So maybe we could with one heart ie 5 combos. Then we have to call some of all of the rest.
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We don't have many better hands here so we have to call some ak I think. We have 4 boats and AKhh that are better. That leaves 11 combos of ak. So maybe we could with one heart ie 5 combos. Then we have to call some of all of the rest.
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Hero has more than that, since he has 99/88/98s and even KK some times.
Ok let's say we have 6 boats and one AKhh so 7 calls. And then we fold 5 single heart combos, leaving 6 of akx. We need to call just below 50pc of hands. So maybe we call 25pc of time with akx. I don't think we can fold all combos.
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Either fold pre or call turn. Call pre and fold turn is lighting money on fire.
Pre-Flop he re-raised pretty large which screams strength, but you still have to call a given the strength of your hand. Then on the flop on a King high drive Ward, he bets three quarter pot which again is strength from him. But you have the top of your range which you should still be calling here. Then when the the turn comes his shove is extremely polarizing. He either has a full house or something around there or he has complete air. And since you described him as someonen who bets big when he has a big hand, I think this is a pretty easy fold.
Pretty interesting spot you got yourself in. I think you made a mistake flatting here on the flop. Now I personally do not love AK just wanted to be clear about that however you hit top pair you have the back door nut flush draw on the flop. As played I would most likely fold on the turn, but I think your major flaw here is not at the very least min clicking but maybe 1.5 his bet is a bit better. If he jams back you are so 100% not good. I just don't see why you would call here, use your position as a place of strength instead of a place a weakness. I mean he fired out you called he's gonna fire again on the turn isn't he? So really in the future if your going to call in a situation like this. Better to raise or fold.
Also didn't mention if I had to guess he either has QQ or JJ based on the preflop action..
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AA
I think folding preflop is way too tight. After all, I raised from HJ and got 3-bet from the blinds. This kind of sizing pattern is pretty common at these stakes. It's not the same as facing a 3-bet from the button and calling OOP. Here, I'll have position.
Pretty interesting spot you got yourself in. I think you made a mistake flatting here on the flop. Now I personally do not love AK just wanted to be clear about that however you hit top pair you have the back door nut flush draw on the flop. As played I would most likely fold on the turn, but I think your major flaw here is not at the very least min clicking but maybe 1.5 his b
No point raising when you have the ace of hearts as you can keep calling across heart turns.
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