Do we ever go thin value here?
1/3 home game 9 handed
Effective stacks ~ 1k
Villain ~ sb ~ is very very passive. He loves check down, loves to slowplay 2pairs or better especially oop. He only has opened AQ/AK/QQ+ preflop small. He loves to float atc on flops then check folded against hero on turns 2nd barrel with marginal hands(2nd pair/bottom pair) every single time and he shows them after folding. Early in the night in a limp multiway pot, he was calling off stacks with 59hh on 643hh, 1 bet 1 raise to 150, he overcalls in the blinds, another guy ships like 450, the initial raiser called/shipped like 500, he called it off. He lost to a bigger flushdraw.
I was printing money on turn barrels with bluffs vs him.
Can we even go thin value vs him on dry board?
Hero ~ bb has been tight for the most part, but rarely goes to showdown.
Preflop like 7 guys limps,
Hero picks up 99 in bb, opens for 25, MP calls, Villain in sb calls.
pot 87
Flop 255r ~ Villain checks, Hero cbets 25, MP folds, Villain calls.
pot 137
Turn Q ~ Villain snap checks, Hero?
Villain has folded to heros 2nd barrel for a lot of time the whole night already. We just check right? Or do we ever balance here?
Villains range probably has some pocketpairs, some 5x but very few, maybe even some A2.
Yes normally hero bets whole range here for 65~75.
Against villain, can we go like 25 for value? No we never seen him bluff raise any point at night nor did he bet with air. There were a few times I've seen him reaching for chips on river with busted draws in position. But he eventually showdown.
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Given that you have a vulnerable hand and Villain has shown himself to be a predictable fold monkey, I don't see a reason to abandon your strategy of using turn overbets, especially since this board really shouldn't have hit him.
Turn is totally fine to bet small again given the Q doesn't hit it much at all and it's your best chance to still get some value from hands like 66-88, A4s, A3s
I actually go bigger pre from OOP if they are limp/calling wide, but $25 is probably fine.
Flop is good. Turn, I don't mind same bet, but if he's floating that wide, I probably size it up a little -- I'd go $50 -- just to make him pay something to see a river if he wants to float me again.
Grunch:
PRE - in a loose, splashy game, I'd open bigger from the blinds over 7 limps. There's already $25-ish in the pot? Make it $30-$35, especially if we have a skill edge, and SB might feel obliged to call if action folds around to him, and we can play HU and IP against a spew-fish.
FLOP - With only one opponent behind us in a 3-way pot, and SB checks, I think I'd c-bet 99 on this board, for value and protection, and size up a bit. I might bet 2/3 pot, like $50, targeting 33, 44, 66-88, and all the un-paired over-cards combos.
TURN - Usually I'd bet small here, like 1/2 pot. If V is over-folding to our turn barrels, we can size down, maybe bet $50 (even if we bet $50 on the flop, I might "same bet" it), or just check back with our SDV and hope he stabs river.
If V is over-folding to our barrels, the adjustment I'd make is to try to get more money into the pot pre and on the flop, then start down-sizing or checking back on some turns when we have SDV+, and just keep barreling when we're bluffing.
I wouldn't think too hard about what our range looks like, because it doesn't sound like V is thinking about it, if he's limp-calling wide, floating wide, and then folding a lot. Just take him to value town when you have a hand, and bluff him out of his shoes when you don't.
Grunch:PRE - in a loose, splashy game, I'd open bigger from the blinds over 7 limps. There's already $25-ish in the pot? Make it $30-$35, especially if we have a skill edge, and SB might feel obliged to call if action folds around to him, and we can play HU and IP against a spew-fish.FLOP - With only one opponent behind us in a 3-way pot, and SB checks, I think I'd c-bet 99 on
Yes it's probably a huge leak of mine not raising enough preflop.
Against this specific fish yea I should just bet bigger on flops.
Wonderful advice once again. Thank you, really appreciate taking your time to write this up.
