1/3 River sizing?

he's tight for the most part, usually has them goods when he's in a huge pot.

Bet-folding the river sounds good to me.

Bet/fold is good, although considering he stabbed earlier when you checked, maybe check/call is better? Hard to bluff that river, though, so bet/fold is good. I'd just go $100 again, maybe $125.

Grunch:

PRE - Think I'd raise bigger over 3 limps. At least $25, maybe even $30 if BB is a calling station.

FLOP - First to act and multi-way, I'm just checking flop, especially on this super-connected board. Let either V stab at it, then decide what we want to do.

TURN - as played on flop, when V1 calls, and V2 over-calls, he has something he likes, probably a lot. Think I might check now, to let him bet.

RIVER - as played to this point, with only $360 left and $326 in the pot, I think I'm mostly just jamming against this V.

I don't think V is getting here the way we did with flopped sets that filled up, at least not often. His sets are going to raise flop or turn more often than not.

He's not limping in from the CO with AKdd or ATdd, probably not A6d-A9d, and he can't have A3d-A5d, so he's not often showing up with the nut flush. Maybe he finds his way here with some KXdd combos. But I'd think his AXdd and KXdd hands are raising flop or turn more often than flat calling.

I'd think his range is mostly 66-88 with one diamond, some worse flushes, some flopped straights, and some AdXx / KdXx that was hoping to river another d but bricked.

He's not calling a bet with AdXx / KdXx, unless maybe he has AQo / KQo. We should just try to target his worse flushes, straights, and non-believing over-pairs to the board.

Doubtful he's limping in from the CO with 76s or 62s, so the only hand I'm actually worried about here is A2dd. And if he has it, he has it. If he has 76, then he can have T9, T8, T7, T6, 98, 97, 96, 87, and 86 of diamonds when he limps pre.

If we jam and he snaps us off with a better hand, good game. We didn't raise with QJs pre, flop the 6th nuts, c-bet and barrel just to check-fold or bet-fold the river.

Interesting, I thought it was better for me to bet since villain1 is a passive fish for the most part. And Villain2 would be forced to call with more marginal holdings after the fish flats.

I thought V2 overcalls was more a sign of weakness. V1 probably has ATC, but mostly random floats. Against 2 weak ranges, we have to continue to valuetown them right?

I think some tight villains don't like raising sets on monotone/straight flop. After the call on the flop, facing near pot bet, he's calling with his whole range and evaluate river?

Interesting train of thoughts. I thought about shipping actually but puked when the 3 came, maybe had monsters under the bed syndrome. Just not sure if villain can call our shove with worse when we have very very little bluffing range here.

Just started playing live recently again(last I played live was like 10+ years ago), it seems the pool tendencies like to fold more to big size bets on rivers.

So... I started playing a few times per year about 25 years ago, but started playing regularly about 4 years ago. The game has changed a lot since the advent of solvers, and so much educational content available for free online.

A few notes that I think are mostly true in low stakes games...

1. Even passive opponents will stab at a pot with any piece of the board when the PFR checks.

2. Even bad rec-fish will be hesitant to float a c-bet too wide with other players behind them, especially on "dangerous" flops. When the fish calls our c-bet next to act, he has some piece of the board.

3. A thinking player is going to over-call less when the PFR c-bets and gets a call from the player next to act. He shouldn't be floating very wide at all. So his over-call is pretty strong.

4. Notwithstanding the above, a lot of opponents will fast play their sets, even on monotone flops, because they have good equity to make a boat against flushes, and don't want to let draws get there for cheap.

5. Opponents tend to make more mistakes facing lines where we check. If we raise pre, c-bet the flop, get two calls, and barrel turn, we look pretty strong, and most opponents will start folding out more of their range. We make it easy for them to play perfectly when we broadcast our hand strength with our line.

It all makes me want to just check flop, to let one of my opponents stab. I might put in a check raise sometimes, but probably not in a SRP when one limped from LP and the BB just flat called our raise. When they both call our c-bet, it's strong.

If the flop checks through, we know neither of them has much of a piece, and we can bet small on turn. If we bet and they both call, we know they both have a piece, so we can go for a check raise on the turn.

When you bet almost pot on the turn, leaving around a pot size bet behind, the only way all the money shouldn't go in on the river is if another flush card comes. On this river, if he has a boat or better flush, he's just getting our money.

From V's perspective, if he gets to the river with a worse flush, a flopped straight, or some stubborn over-pair, he's not folding either. He called pre, over-called flop, and called our PSB knowing we could jam for pot on the river. He made up his mind you were probably bluffing on the flop or turn. The river changes nothing for him. If we have a better hand, we're just getting his money.

If he calls, we can take him to value town every time we have a strong hand. If he folds, we can bluff him out of his shoes by going bet-bet-bet when we miss. He's boxed himself in by taking the line he has.

Thx for advice. Great reply.