what flops are you range betting?

what flops are you range betting?

1/3 400 bb deep

bad limper, tough tag $20 CO, i $80 with KQo with Kd in the big blind. Tag calls

what are you doing on these flops?

A58 two diamonds

J22 one diamond

345 two diamonds

78J one diamond.

and yes i know i could have folded pre, but im not interested in short term results, just long term strat.

10 February 2025 at 10:29 PM
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Cbet large board 1.

Cbet small board 2.

Check board 3, call.

Cbet small board 4.


Pot 160, 1120 back, SPR = 7

A58 two diamonds

check or bet 50 with my entire range, checking AK AQ moreso than AJ AT, depends strongly on A is there or not, you don't say

J22 one diamond
check or bet 120

345 two diamonds
check range, check folding K Q


78J one diamond.

check, check folding K Q


Generally when HU and OOP I'm range-checking most flops. I need a good reason to bet.

As for these specific flops, and your specific hand, I don't see much reason to bet, when we can just check and let our opponents tell us what they have with their actions.

I'm expecting "Tough TAG" to bet his AX and good draws on AXXdd, bet his JX and some PP's on J22, bet his PP's and good draws on 345dd, and bet his 2P+ on J87.

If he checks back, we can rule out most value hands and good draws, and make a delayed c-bet on the turn. If he bets small, we can call and see what develops on the turn. If he bets big, we can just fold and not lose any sleep over it.


You are asking 2 questions. In your thread title, which flops would you bet your entire range, and what would you do with KQo with 1 diamond. It depends for both questions.

The Marc Goone school of thought is to do a lot of range checking on flops OOP against RECS. Vs regs it isn't as clear cut. It kind of depends on what you think they will make the most mistakes against. If they are overstabbing and betting big with strong hands, small with weak hands, then range checking can be a strong exploit. Check raise against small sizing with your value and bluffs, check raise only with your very thick value against big size. And if their check back range is a lot of trash, then you can bomb the turn with bluffs after flop checks through.

Live players tend to be very exploitable with their sizings and checks. But if they are more balanced, IE check back some strong hands, use one sizing on the flop, the less range checking is good. Also, range checking is less good if villain will fast play you by raising his good hands facing a bet in position. It is better when they will just call their strong hands in position so you can tell the strength of their hand.

When you're this deep OOP, you really aren't supposed to bet these boards with your entire range. There are boards where you want to big bet or check, boards where you small bet or check, and boards where you range check.

A85dd - small bet or check

J22dxx - big bet or check

543dd - big bet or check

J87dxx - range check

On boards with 2 diamonds holding Kd, if we aren't exploitatively range checking OOP, then more often than not I would be betting. Less so on 1 diamond boards, but a good heuristic would be that you can bet more if you block 2 backdoor flush draws than when you only block one. So KdQc is better on Jd2c2h than KdQs.

The nice thing about having Kd when there are two diamonds on the flop is that you have more turns and rivers where barreling makes sense. These hands don't perform great as check calls or check raises on a lot of boards, and they are easy folda facing a raise, so there are a lot of benefits to betting them. Lets say we have a hand like KQ no diamond, I would be more inclined to just check fold on a lot of flops, but we can bomb turn unimproved anywhere from like, 2/3 pot to 2x pot after v checks back the flop.


Do pros 3bet KQo in the BB against a “tough TAG”? Do we really want to go to the flop oop with an SPR of 3 with a trouble hand? Playing these OP’s proposed flops is easier with KJs, ATs, etc than KQo.


by adonson

Do pros 3bet KQo in the BB against a “tough TAG”?

I took "tough tag" to me player that knows a bit about the game. If they do, then KQ is well ahead of their opening range from the CO.


A tough player is a strategic player. I would think that a strategic TAG has a rock bottom opening range of QJo in the CO. Below this is LAG territory at 1/3, don't you think? I am wrong on this forum all the time, so I am genuinely asking the question. With basically tied equity, do you want to go to the flop oop and play for stacks? Hero with the 4x 3b goes to the flop with an SPR of exactly 2.5. It's really hard to play KQo against a strategic TAG at this SPR out of position. I could see this play at higher stakes. But at 1/3, facing an open against a tough TAG in the CO with hero in the BB with KQo, I'm just not good enough. I fold preflop and--I know everyone hates this phrase--wait for a better spot. This is low stakes. There are plenty of fish.

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I suppose if you are talking about an actual, traditional TAG. I have yet to meet that player at 1/3 though. Also note that the traditional TAG would likely 4 bet or fold preflop.

I am considered TAG in my games, and I would open much wider than the range you give here.

I would probably open CO to 8o and 7s. all offsuit As, all Ks and All As, most Qs.


Also, I glossed it over in my dirst post, but KQo is definitely a marginal 3b at best in the scenario described. Facing the iso to 20 at we could definitely consider just pitching KQo. In his shoes he should really consider folding AQo when you 3b. If he isn't folding a hand like that, then KQo might be a little too far down to 3b.


Preflop, you could fold, but I would probably flat call and keep the limper in. Don't like isolating against the good player OOP.

I would cbet 1 and 2. The 543 flop, I would not cbet and would probably check/fold. If opponent has an ace or pp, he is way ahead and he possibly could have low cards that hit this.

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