Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The missile was probably strategically aimed at some critical IDF infrastructure but the Jew space lasers knocked it off course. Unlucky.
Face palm all you want. Won't nullify the fact that Israel attempt to minimise civilian casualties. You made a nazi book burning reference quite recently and you're the one always banging on about "hasbara", so I'm not really interested in your Israel-Bad-Forever-and-Ever-Amen opinion.
Lol Bill Haywood might be more gone than Victor. I’ve presented him with a report on Hamas’ use of human shields multiple times but idk if he can actually read.
Are there not Palestinians all throughout the West Bank too? Are they being destroyed?
And would Gaza not still be Gaza if not for their declaration of war, which sadly for them, they lost?
And lastly, all the Jews were essentially removed from Islamic countries. What according to your definition, was that? Those were their ancestral homes for 1000's of years.
And lastly, all the Jews were essentially removed from Islamic countries. What according to your definition, was that? Those were their ancestral homes for 1000's of years.
they mostly left at the behest of Israel (sometimes with bombs as in Iraq) and those countries wanted to keep them given they tended to be middle class and educated.
What kind of blackmail does Victor have on the mod?
Must be some defcon level ****.
The only questionable post I've seen from Victor in a long time got ninja edited because he realized he was over the line
Have you ever heard of Aliyah or the Law of Return?
What kind of blackmail does Victor have on the mod?
Must be some defcon level ****.
no Israel literally bombed Jewish areas in Iraq to motivate Jews to move.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80...
literal terrorism.
There was numerous Jewish communities spread throughout MENA, and their stories were all distinct, but generally it went something like this:
1. Initially little interest in Aliyah. Many communities had been around 1000+ years, and didn't want to uproot. Also, although discrimination and antisemitism wasn't zero, it was generally lower in MENA than Europe prior to WWII. On top of this many Arab govts forbid Aliyah, as they didn't want Israel to be strengthened.
2. Over time persecution by local Arab populations increased exponentially, to the point where Aliyah became increasingly desired. On top of this Arab govts were under pressure internally to do something about their Jewish problem.
3. Eventually Arab govts allowed/forced the Jews to leave under various levels of duress, with the stipulation they had to forfeit all property. Some left, but many tried to stay, until the persecution became unmanageable. Eventually they mostly left, leaving behind all their money and property and starting over from scratch.
The anti Israel people aren't going to be reading information that doesn't support their hateful narrative.
Should be clear by now that Israel is worthy of contempt.
they mostly left at the behest of Israel (sometimes with bombs as in Iraq) and those countries wanted to keep them given they tended to be middle class and educated.
Victor, go study how Iraq basically turned itself into early 1930s Germany, and then we can discuss these "theories" of yours. That's just one example.
Once you take people's property, land, money, rights, put a marking on them, etc. THEY FLEE FOR THEIR LIVES.
Victor, go study how Iraq basically turned itself into early 1930s Germany, and then we can discuss these "theories" of yours. That's just one example.
Once you take people's property, land, money, rights, put a marking on them, etc. THEY FLEE FOR THEIR LIVES.
The lack of self-awareness in this person's posts is something else.
Once you take people's property, land, money, rights, put a marking on them, etc. THEY FLEE FOR THEIR LIVES.
hmmmm
I expected both these replies.
But here's the thing, during the 40's, half the Palestinians left Israel (when the radio told them all to bail before the Arab invasion). But half STAYED.
They now live inside Israel. Full rights, full voting rights. They aren't made to wear a marking denoting who they are. They can join the army. They can have their own homes, cars, bank accounts (Jews in Iraq in the chaos, could not do any of this). They work any jobs they want. No jew could do that in Iraq during those dark times. And if you learned your history, you would in fact know this.
So no, I'm sorry friends. You don't get to play that game.
Inside GAZA, which is NOT Israel, you have another situation entirely. Yes the Hamas hornets nest full of missile launch pads and tunnels got a whole other set of circumstances. And it's not hard to see why.
Btw not sure how many people know this, but they uncovered the 3 scenarios for Oct 7th.
One scenario was to link up with Hezbollah and Iran, and wipe out Israel.
Before Oct 7th, Sinwar request special permission from Israel to go meet Nasrallah and the Iranians, in exchange for some things Israel wanted. Gallant refused the pass.
They sent a lesser Hamas member instead of Sinwar. And Nasrallah refused to meet him. In Iran, only a minor player met with him. Consequently the plans for Oct 7th and the 3 prong plan were not shared. And the Israelis know this because their infiltration of Hezbollah was so complete, and no signs of Oct 7th appeared that side.
Ironically if Sinwar had been granted leave to meet with Nasrallah, and Hezbollah had prepared to join, Israel would have known it was happening, and stopped it.
But in this alternate scenario that was avoided, we now can see that total Israeli annihilation was the plan. So you tallk about genocide....well there are you bad actors. It does not get more genocidal than a 3 pronged attack to kill as many Jewish men, women and children as possible. Unprovoked.
during the 40's, half the Palestinians left Israel
right. bc Zionist death squads razed their villages and executed 10s of thousands.
The 2 sides had been waring for decades Victor. Which is exactly why the Brits left and called it intractable. If you want me to dig up the endless incidents of Jews being slaughtered in the early 1900's, we can do this all day.
But the part where the Arabs refused to take 83% and give the Jews 17% is the part you have to ask yourself about today. What would the world look like if common sense had prevailed then over extreme greed? Because the Jews snap accepted the 17% offer. And you know that.
I know that the Zionists planned for years to steal as much land as possible. it was called Plan Dalet.
during the 40's, half the Palestinians left Israel (when the radio told them all to bail before the Arab invasion).
Nonsense. 750,000 were EXPELLED and not allowed back.
And at least 300,000 were expelled BEFORE May 15, 1948 -- before the Arab attack.
I dare you to read Ilan Pappe on 1948.
Remarkable that even after Trump and Netanyahu dropped the masks and openly called for ethnic cleansing of Gaza, we've still got people saying Israel just responds to Arab aggression -- and somehow ended up with all the land.
Guys, the Israeli declaration of independence clearly states that any Muslim was welcome to come live in Israel as equals. These are the facts.
You want to compare this to 1930's Iraq for Jews, you will have a very hard time. Because this was not on offer.
And that's why Arabs can and do live freely in Israel (proper) today. A narrative that really grinds your gears. We know.
