AQo against a superstar.
1/3 NL 8 handed. I have 400 and the effective stack. I have a tight image.
I raise UTG to 12 with AdQc, a guy with dreadlocks calls in the CO and is new to the game. He seems loose/passive pre. It's folded to the BB who raises to 40. He thinks he is a superstar and probably is a winner in the game. He has been the table bully with raises and 3 bets often taking it down pre flop. His 3 bet size is pretty small. I'm not sure what to do here. This should be a strong range given I have a very tight image and raising UTG. The small reraise is suspicious. Heads up I think I would just call here? Maybe I'm supposed to fold. With a third player in the hand is this a raise or fold situation? I decide to just call and the the CO calls.
(120 in pot) 5c6dQs..The BB bets 40, I call, the CO calls.
(240 in pot) 5c6dQs8c...The BB bets 125...What do we do?
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1/3 NL 8 handed. I have 400 and the effective stack. I have a tight image. I raise UTG to 12 with AdQc, a guy with dreadlocks calls in the CO and is new to the game. He seems loose/passive pre. It's folded to the BB who raises to 40. He thinks he is a superstar and probably is a winner in the game. He has been the table bully with raises and 3 bets often taking it down pre flop
In this exact preflop dynamic given your image and your opponents image (aggressive) I probably just pure 4b this combo. It sounds like your opponent has a pretty wide 3b range so there is a decent chance we have the best hand and this hand plays much better HU than multiway. I would put in a very small 4bet to clear out the CO player, around 90-100 seems good. And definitely folding if we face a 5bet.
In this exact preflop dynamic given your image and your opponents image (aggressive) I probably just pure 4b this combo. It sounds like your opponent has a pretty wide 3b range so there is a decent chance we have the best hand and this hand plays much better HU than multiway. I would put in a very small 4bet to clear out the CO player, around 90-100 seems good. And definitely f
I considered the 4 bet but I was thinking is this guy really 3 betting my nitty UTG raise with a wide range? I do think the small 4 bet is the way to go in this dynamic I just failed to act upon it.
Fold or 4bet pre. I prefer fold.
I'm folding or 4b preflop also. I'm not interested in setting up a potentially multi-way spot with a capped range against a good player. This hand shows why.
This is a very common, very tough spot and it's very interesting so thanks to OP for sharing.
Flop: I would rather raise/fold flop than call with another player to act behind me on this board. H has plenty of QQ here. V could be block-betting and pricing his draw. Calling almost guarantees the CO is coming along for a good price. And speaking of the CO, he must have something. We can deny his equity when behind and force him to raise/define his range when he is ahead here.
AP Turn: Our passivity has put us in a very tight, difficult spot. We'd like some FE when ahead, but we are way behind when behind. We can call getting 3-1 and we likely have enough equity to do so profitably. Jamming allows both V's to play perfectly. Folding may be too nitty, as we can overfold when BB has AK and CO has combo/sd.
It sucks but I suppose we have to call getting 3-1 (possibly 4-1 if OC comes along) and just try to fade K, 9, 4 and club rivers. We get the price to do it. We have Qc which I think is a very useful blocker here. CO has to jam his sets now so we can get away from those instances.
Agree pre is 4bet or fold. If this is the first time he has 3bet you specifically, it might be a fold. That's assuming he's paying attention to position, reads, etc.
Now that I'm here and hit top pair, I raise/fold that small c-bet. This is when your tight image should really help.
As played, turn is shove or fold based on vibe I get from both Vs (although I'm not too worried about CO).
I would just limp in and evaluate.
I would just sigh fold to the 3bet unless this guy is often doing this with air against anyone raising from anywhere (our nitty image raising from UTG should send up red flags to all but the most clueless).
Don't see what else we can do on the flop but call.
On the turn I would go back in time and fold preflop. Otherwise, this dood is showing massive strength on every street, especially with fish still in the hand. Is he really just punting?
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1/3 NL 8 handed. I have 400 and the effective stack. I have a tight image. I raise UTG to 12 with AdQc, a guy with dreadlocks calls in the CO and is new to the game. He seems loose/passive pre. It's folded to the BB who raises to 40. He thinks he is a superstar and probably is a winner in the game. He has been the table bully with raises and 3 bets often taking it down pre flop
FWIW - even if you have a tight image, you could also have a scared money image, which I suspect is the case, based on this and your other threads in this forum. If I'm V, and I think you'll over-fold to aggression pre or post-flop, I'll be 3B'ing you a lot, especially when there's dead money from the CO in the pot.
Against table bullies, the adjustment to make is to 4B them more, I think linearly, and give them rope to continue bluffing.
If action folded to him, I'd be fine flatting. But when he 3B's small, I'd prefer to 4B, to shut out the CO, and get this HU and IP.
As played, I'd call turn, and see what happens.
I don't mind your call pre. A small raise/fold is good. I would never fold.
The other villain sounds like a poor player with a wide range and I don't mind him putting in some money. I like multiway pots and I'd bet the main V is OK-ish at HU pots and not so good mutiway. He is now in a tough position, betting into 2 people OOP. The other player has position on you, but is weak and passive. This scenario gives you a lot of possibilities from bluffing, to the main V missing the flop and you value towning the second V when you outkick him.
As played, I would fold the turn rather comfortably and I think this illustrates the point. HU, this would be an somewhat unpleasant call. 3 ways, the main V would be running an extremely ambitious bluff here. I guess he could have JcTc or something. Otherwise, he would have little equity. One or both of you should have a Q. All sets seem quite possible. 56 is possible. 87 isn't folding yet. 77 sn't folding.
If the main V is going nuts with A2s or something, the guy behind you could easily have a set. Once in a while, main V with have KQ suited and second V will of some BS. Oh well.
You need to raise at some point in this hand either pre with a 4-bet or on the flop. I'm hating this call call situation with CO behind us. I would normally be 4-betting this pre but you say you have a tight image which I don't really like so I'm okay-ish with the call. Once you flop TPTK you absolutely need to raise.
Is CO also 400 effective?
I would be cautious in just thinking v is the table bully because you have seen him 3b a lot. He could be getting smacked with the deck. His showdowns are more important.
I think call or 4b to 90-100 /fold to jam are decent options. The CO is almost certainly a rec so having him in the pot isn't terrible, but AQo doesn't perform amazing multiway in the middle. Villain's size OOP would be small if it was heads up, but it is especially tiny with the cold caller. The small size actually gives you more incentive to just call. It's not great that our 4x UTG open is getting raised, but players tend not to be positionally aware. I think a villain as described might be the type to show up with KQo or AJo here. So I would not be folding our hand. One thing that is really nice about 4betting AQo here is that we have an easy fold when they jam, and the jam comes from hands that will cooler us when we just call predlop (ie KK or AA on Q high board, AK on ace high board)
As played I would just rip the turn. You have decent removal to the hands that best you. You're mainly worried about AA (3 combos), KK (6 combos), QQ (1 combo), but ahead of other Qx, draws, and random spazz stuff.
You're ahead of KQ, QJ, bluffs/draws. If you call pot will be 490 (615 if CO calls) and you have 195 behind and at this SPR I would probably just stack off. You're jamming 320 into a pot will be 880 if called heads up. If they never fold, you need a bit over 36% equity when called, less if you have fold equity. I would say you probably have that vs the probable ranges you are up against. Best case you are a slight favorite heads up vs the ranges you are up. Decent likelihood you are a slight dog heads up vs these ranges but easily have the equity to have a +EV jam.
