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Superuser Caught on GGPoker - "MoneyTaker69" Thread

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1 post · member since Dec 2023
2yr ago

User "MoneyTaker69" is alleged to be superusing on GG Poker.

In December, Moneytaker won at 90bb/100 on GG Poker in 8,900

29 December 2023 at 01:23 AM
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GG best poker room, no competition

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by viking1

GG best poker room, no competition

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comes back to 2p2 and posts that? not shady at all

96 posts · member since Feb 2007
1yr ago
by Spring Mustachio

Can I get some cliffs notes here? Has faith been restored in GG?

I would say no. If the rake's higher and there is at least the possibility the GGPoker software can be 'hacked,' why play there? It illustrates a flaw in the software's basic programming, for a superuser to even be possible within the game design.

Some of the arguably most responsible content creators on the web, such as Jonathan Little and JNandez among others, ended their sponsorships there. That's staying on the ethical high ground.

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User "MoneyTaker69" is alleged to be superusing on GG Poker.

In December, Moneytaker won at 90bb/100 on GG Poker in 8,900 hands playing 53% VPIP. Soon after, he binked a $150 Sunday MTT for $47,586 while playing an extremely volatile strategy, which aroused a lot of suspicion. GG Poker has acknowledged the situation privately and is preparing to address it, but it's important for the public to know immediately due to the significance of superusing.

The Results

The following results graph comes from Smarthand, a site that tracks online poker results. MoneyTaker won at 90bb/100 in December playing 53/17.

Typically, a player with this VPIP/PFR ratio would be in the -50bb/100 range. Even if we were impossibly generous and said he was breakeven, this run would be a statical anomaly. For a -50bb recreational? Impossible.

Here is a primedope simulation of the probability of a breakeven player having this run.

The following is a simulation of possible runs for a player with a given winrate using primedope's variance calculator. The light blue line at the top of the graph represents the "Best" run, which is the luckiest run a person could have in 1,000 trials.

This is a -50bb player playing 9000 hands. Their luckiest run is around -10 buyins. Mokeytaker won 77 buy-ins.

Additionally, MoneyTaker won a $150 GG Masters Sunday MTT, which is a big open field tournament. This makes the possibility of chip dumping or targeting specific players with a virus much less likely.

The Hands

The following hands were collected by various users as examples of likely foul play.





How is he cheating?

Based off his play, the most natural explanation is that he can see the cards. He rarely puts in money significantly behind or calls the river with the worst hand. Also, his winrate is so high that RTA could not possibly explain it.

It's unclear how he's able to see others' cards, and it's possible he's not the only one exploiting a glitch in the system. A post on 2+2 highlighted a group of suspicious accounts that played for brief stints and won for >30bb/100, which is particularly difficult on GG due to their rake structure.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

There is no clear evidence that the players highlighted in the above post are superusing, but it's not unreasonable to suspect that this could be a larger issue at scale if done by hackers that want to be less obvious than running >50% VPIP.

Hacker Group

"MoneyTaker" is a hacker group. It's unclear if this account is in any way associated with them or if it's just incidental, but worth mentioning.



What's Next?

As a community, we await GG Poker's response. I'm confident they'll do the right thing and share everything they know about this incident shortly....

Kebabkungen
2yr ago

So now you are cheating if you ship a random donkament? Random accusations just ruin the legitimacy of the thread....

MDAcoaching avatarMDAcoaching
2yr ago

The wildest thing is that ALL the influential online poker players and streamers, including sponsored pros like Negreanu and Elky are not saying anything about this, when we all know this is a major scandal that repeats itself every few weeks/months on GG. This is absolutely outrageous and just shows how hypocritical these people are....