Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Anyone who views all the innocent victims being Hamas fighter has some serious issues….
A large percentage of the dead were affiliated with Hamas in one way or another. What type of serious issues are you talking about? Have you seen any of the Palestine protests on campuses? Do you think if these people were in Gaza they would be helping Hamas? I realize that many of these protestors were there strictly for identity politic reasons.
what does that have to do with your outlandish claim that they want to kill 7m Jews?
anyway, those are Salafi types who are the enemies of the Axis of Resistance but at this time are actually allied with Israel and the USA. the West works with these the ISIS types and Saudi Salafis to attack Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and Palestine.
I don't think I am breaking news that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah would love to kill every Jew. They said so themselves. Their actions have corroborated their words.
The International Criminal Court disagrees with you. History itself will show your views to have been horribly biased and foolish. But I expect you'll take another long "leave of absence" from 2+2 when that happens.
I am open to the idea that some of my views may turn out to be incorrect. This is unlike many people on here who are simply on one team or the other. I get that the "Palestinian" people are in a horrible situation. I get their anger and wanting to fight back. What I don't get is why can't they see what they are doing is suicide? I've heard them described as people who no longer care and will continue to fight back. That too me makes them very dangerous. You would think at some point someone will come along and convince these people to stop the madness. Until then, Israel will rightly go after the dangerous people.
You can lie to yourself if it pleases you shrug .Seem there is no limit of killing innocents people you are prepare to stop to for fulfilling your view of life on others .It’s nice to see ….FWIW I’m not sure 1000k innocent Jews is equivalent to 1 millions , 10 millions of innocents other humans being kill but hey , it’s a free world , believe what you wish .Don’t come here to t
I'm pretty sure that Israel is already imposing their will on Gaza. It's up to the Gazan people to get the hint and realize the terrorist thing isn't working out well for them. I'm sure Israel will maintain a presence there for many years.
Obviously you don’t see this as a problem for the other side , especially when you say you want to live peacefully with your neighbors when in actually u just focus of gaining those lands, not to be neighbors but owners and them living under your laws .Historically the U.S. is native indigenous land …You think that matters ?And that depends which century you choose too .Such a
I'm just telling you what is going on in the West Bank. Most Israelis would love to live peacefully with their neighbors. The unfortunate truth is that the fanatics on both sides have created a barrier that will never be crossed again. In situations like this historically the strong conquer the weak. Maybe years from now things will be different.
I don't think I am breaking news that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah would love to kill every Jew. They said so themselves. Their actions have corroborated their words.
wrong
Terrorism has always been justified by using words like "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary movements".
this is true. but not in the way that you mean.
I ask previously to another poster, didn’t answer .When enough is enough ?You have any endgame goals in mind since for you we aren’t there yet ? What are they ?1 millions, 2 millions dead arabs ?Eradication of Liban, Iran, Palestine?All of the above ?Ps: maybe you need that magic numbers of 6 millions being done by them Instead of them being a victim of it for making it even
The number of Arabs killed will be up to the Arabs. Israel lives in a bad neighborhood. They are doing what they have to to survive. If the enemy decides to play nice then the killings will stop.
so naive to think this is still about the hostages .
IDF and Bibi care little about them other than to keep people like you thinking this is why 40000 Palestinian civilians are being killed.
It's about the hostages and the removal of any threat from Hamas or any of the other 30 terrorist brigades. The existence of Israel depends on Jews feeling safe enough to move there. Oct 7th was a major blow. If Israel simply did their normal minimal hands tied behind their back operation in Gaza the threat would always be there. They have chosen to take decisive action to eliminate this threat.
After all this time you still believe people believe Israel didn’t had the right to respond ?
No one dispute what you are saying so what’s the point ?
The intensity of the response is the problem and all those enumerated points you bring doesn’t change that fact in anyway .
When enough is enough , give us your thoughts about that ?
The world is simply not used to this type of response by Israel. At some point enough is enough. I think many are condemning Israel based on the number of people being killed. What they need to do is have a better understanding of the enormity of the task to destroy an enemy that has been trying to kill them for over 70 years.
90% of casualties of war are civilians unfortunately
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc...
In Gaza the number is much lower
However, even by the UN’s (low) standards, the resolutions adopted below are quite ridiculous:
Security Council Resolution 138 (1960), which claims that Israel’s apprehension of Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Holocaust, “may endanger international peace and security” and calls for Israel to make reparations.
General Assembly Resolutions 34/44 (1979) and 34/65 (1979), which “strongly condemn” the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, referring to it as “partial agreement.”
General Assembly Resolution 36/171 (1981), which “strongly deplores the action of the United States in extraditing Mr. Ziad Abu Eain to Israel”. This resolution criticizes the U.S. for extraditing a man linked to a terrorist cell responsible for a bombing that tragically killed two Israeli teenagers.
General Assembly Resolution 36/226 (1981), which asserts that cooperation agreements between the USA and Israel “would have adverse effects on efforts for a comprehensive peace in the Middle East” and threaten regional security. In other words, the UN claims that cooperation between two Member States undermines peace and security.
General Assembly Resolution 37/43 (1982), which “reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence… by all available means, including armed struggle.” Essentially, the UN endorses violence and using all available means if you claim to be under “foreign domination.”
Finally, a rejected resolution: General Assembly Resolution A/73/L.42 (2018), which “condemns Hamas for repeatedly firing rockets into Israel and for inciting violence”, and failed to pass with a vote of 87 against and only 57 in favor (with 33 abstentions). Notice that if the abstaining countries had the fortitude to vote in favor, the resolution would have passed. How much death, destruction and suffering would’ve been averted if the UN had tried to stop the violence perpetuated by Hamas when it first started?
So, what do we learn from this sample of UN Resolutions? That the UN condemns Israel regardless of what it does — sign a peace treaty with its neighbor, sign a strategic cooperation agreement with another nation, apprehend terrorists or war criminals, you name it. It doesn’t matter what Israel is doing or not doing, the UN will unabashedly condemn it.
Meanwhile, efforts to condemn violence perpetuated against Israeli civilians mostly fail to pass at the UN.
Note: I began reviewing historic UN resolutions as a personal mini project in preparation for the UN General Assembly (September 22–28, 2024), expecting to find a wide range of interesting resolutions. I quickly discovered that (1) the most absurd resolutions target Israel and (2) the anti-Israel bias of the UN goes even further and deeper than I had realized.
Today (November 21, 2024), the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, the Israeli Prime Minister and former Defense Minister, respectively. I ask you to take a moment to review the resolutions above when deciding how much credibility the UN has (or doesn’t) in making decisions regarding Israel.
Should the US do the same vs North Korea , Iran , etc ? And btw when did Liban want us Israël dead ? Hamas etc aren’t a country .Fwiw you believe innocents do not matters if they dei because of someone else ? Ok .So how many innocents could die without you caring ?500k, 1 millions ? 2 millions ?Ps: good luck resolving hate with war ….Has innocents dead increases , u
Just going to assume this person has no idea what’s going on. Holy ****.
Schizoposting levels are through the roof.
Anyone who views all the innocent victims being Hamas fighter has some serious issues….
I never said that and my comment was responding to a post stating sone may regard such groups as freedom fighters and I stand by my comment. Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah are freedom fighters and anyone who thinks they are have serious issues and their opinions don't need entertaining.
Israel leveled a bunch of apartment buildings in Beirut last night using 4 bunker buster bombs. no evacuation order ofc. probably over 100 dead.
and just for good measure they drone struck some Palestinian refugee fisherman on the beach near Tyre. thats in Lebanon. why are they droning these people? they obv arent Hamas or Hezbollah. just fishermen. what military value is that? to me, it looks simply like desire to kill Palestinians.
Israel leveled a bunch of apartment buildings in Beirut last night using 4 bunker buster bombs. no evacuation order ofc. probably over 100 dead.and just for good measure they drone struck some Palestinian refugee fisherman on the beach near Tyre. thats in Lebanon. why are they droning these people? they obv arent Hamas or Hezbollah. just fishermen. what military value is
None of this is true. That being said Hezbollah/Lebanon declared war on Israel at the behest of their IRI puppet masters 13 months ago, and they can stop attacking Israel and retreat from the border anytime they wish, and it will all be over.
90% of casualties of war are civilians unfortunately
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc...
In Gaza the number is much lower
What's your point? On October 7th the number was much lower too. Would you say Hamas did a good job of avoiding civilian casualties?
Ah we're back to false moral equivalents again
None of this is true. That being said Hezbollah/Lebanon declared war on Israel at the behest of their IRI puppet masters 13 months ago, and they can stop attacking Israel and retreat from the border anytime they wish, and it will all be over.
what does drone striking Palestinian refugee fisherman have to do with Hezbollah?
it sounds like you are saying that it is ok to murder innocent people in an attempt to impose one's will. you might call that ok. I call it terrorism.
What's your point? On October 7th the number was much lower too. Would you say Hamas did a good job of avoiding civilian casualties?
no
I bet they didn't. Just carry on massacring civilians because any objections are antisemitic.
I thought I saw they upped it to 90 after starting to clear debris. but maybe that was a different bombing. its really hard to keep track of all of the massacres going on across 5 countries being attacked by the Israeli terrorist apartheid regime.
What's your point? On October 7th the number was much lower too. Would you say Hamas did a good job of avoiding civilian casualties?
They went to a music festival with the sole purpose of targeting civilians
