WPN ''Steals'' more than 50k in rewards

I know you guys from stats. Yeah they are supper shady with those banning's. What is worst is that they don`t ban the actually bots. Super sus. The idea is that with this post we maybe can unite forces with more ppl in that same spot. If we show a lot of cases like this at same point i imagine they can`t ignore it anymore.

Thanks Matt !

No we have no financial interest at all at sharing action. As i said numerous times , each player has their own deal. There is no such thing on our stable. I didn't even know the guys that well before. And even during the challenge the max we would do were studying together couple of times per week.

Also how this start at the same time ends the same time can be an argument ? WTF ?! Remember i had to play 10k hands a day , i started when the game starts , and ended after i complete the 10k hands. I had no schedule choice.

They have access to all our DTB and spent more than 2 months going though it, u don`t think that if we were squeezing player out of multiway pots they would have spot ? and that would be a much better argument for banning us.

We were 100% legit men. Each one playing their our game , in the same way when u spot someone you know at the table. 100% std .

This argument of juicing the pot for more rake back makes no sense as well. Remember RB is never more than 100% , u always paying for the site at least some percentage of the rake. Makes no sense to force paying more rake on any spot. Also there is a CAP on the rake.

This post is obnoxious.

1st: They ban suspicious accounts, Ckanonballn was playing last time I played before thry decided to ban my account.

2nd: They are not refusing service. They are confiscating 50K in funds!. I recovered my cashier because I have access to highstakes players that vouched me and a guy I sent my db to. It was stolen otherwise.

ACR has a big problem with the security. As we say in spanish: "estan dando palos de ciego". Which basically means they are like a blindfolded man waving a stick.

PS: I know you work for them but they should consider some changes in the security department.

This is a pathetic cop out “well at least you got to withdraw your money”
Are you daft?
They were playing for the rewards, OP was 0EV bb but the accumulated rewards of 50k were 250BIs. That is literally the entire money he had made this year up to that point.
They let him withdraw his on site balance which would have amounted more or less to his starting bankroll!

They don't. Each person in the stable is still there to increase their own bottom line. It's like being a car salesman in that regard. It sounds like they were playing most of their waking hours. If they are from the same part of the world, of course they're going to be playing relatively the same hours if they're grinding 12+ hours a day.

You're all funded by the same "Daddy" and you're saying you don't collude? The daddy fund wouldn't benefit from stable mates going to war. (Unless you're juicing rakeback.)

You leaked enough so that the "blindfolded man waiving a stick" could turn around and exploit you.

Shouldn't have associated yourself with anyone. You basically planted the seed for ACR to target.

No sympathy from me, really. Stables/teams are a cancer, especially those colluding and exploiting the rakeback system.

wow that Biluzin looks like a clicker

its Zinhao still acting like a spoil brat btw?

This is such a stupid take. Do you have the same issue when Negreanu, Fedor and Elky register to the same MTT? Just because you are sponsored by the same group doesn't mean you automatically cheat or collude. I dont have any relationship to these guys nor their CFP but they all seem like great players from my experience, 99% not guilty.

How is that similar to a stable populating 2-3 seats of every zoom hand for 9 hours a day?

Collusion is always lurking, down to the friendly regs soft playing at the casino.

I'm sure it is a problem in the small field hsmtts, if you aren't part of a team, but that's another topic.

It sounds a lot harsher than it is when you say it like that. But I do agree that acr could/should interfere, it's super reasonable for them to fix the seat algo so they don't end up on the same table. I have played with all of these 3 guys and they seem like good players. I have played Biluzin up to 5k nl, call me naive if you want but im not going to accept it that easily that a guy that seemingly think / play very well at games as high as 5k would waste his life cheating at 200 blitz.

Algo them to 1 table max. I don't doubt they're good players, when you have 5x the HH's and Daddy support.

Lol . Online poker 2024. The best cheating wins 100% of the time .

Played a good amount with all 3 at 200blitz. They definitely weren't using RTA or preflop/postflop squeeze strategies. I did have one sketchy hand that worried me about card sharing but that was it.

And, yeah, I don't understand the argument of juicing up the rewards given the rake is more than the rake back.

how does "right of refusal" allow them to not get the 50k in rakeback bonus. again the clueless retired recs on this forum say dumb things.

But also thats kind of what you get for trusting your year on acr desperation I assume. I think the best outcome for guys is some big names cry and you get your equity paid out but I don't feel like we have any one like that in the poker community currently.

A few regs have defended you here. that's all I really need to know.

I played exactly 57729 hands on the site, I played exactly 1493 hands with the guys they also banned, considering we live in the same city how are we supposed to be doing some kind of cheat like that.

They do not care, they do not have security any security processes. They are dumb as **** and they have your money, I am sorry.

@Weazel if you work for them, instead of trying to cover up their mistakes you should try to help us.

Any thread that gets posted these days is legitimately littered with these brainless ******s that are so opinionated on subjects they are absolutely clueless in.

we need to make a poker player only discord where we can vet out the hustler live viewers 2+2 is dead

Did Metagame teach you to call cold 4b OOP with T8s ?

O erro de vcs foi terem falado que jogam pra um mesmo time, e como o time tem participacao nos lucros, inclusive de rakeback, eh o mesmo dinheiro que paga vcs de acordo com o deal de cada um..

Pelo lado dos donos do Site de poker.. vcs estao errados mesmo..

Pelo lado de vcs.. vcs estao certos.. pq cada um sabe o esforco que fez..

Infelizmente o elo dessa corrente vai quebrar pro lado mais fraco.. que eh o de vcs..

Eh uma situacao MUITO complicada.. nao eh tao simples de resolver..

Eu particularmente nao vejo solucao pra esse problema.. pq o site tbm estah com a razao..

Eh muito triste e desanimador.. e eu soh posso imaginar como eh estar nessa situacao..

Espero que consigam reverter..

I am one of the players mentioned, my nickname was ‘’UrsoBranco’’. My real name is Danilo Jientara, I played mostly NL500 at GG in 2023 (‘’Cristo Rei’’ and ‘’Jientara’’😉.

To avoid repetition, since what happened to Nizza was exactly the same as what happened to me, I came to expose some facts for the members who are defending the WPN or wanting to insinuate that I was participating in some collusion/RTA.

I was -2.8bb/100 in almost 1.3 million hands!! The regular who won the most money from me at the tables was the same one who they are trying to say that I did some kind of “collusion” (‘’Biluzin’’ won 12k USD over me at the tables).

It is worth mentioning that after sending the documents requested by the WPN (driver's license, proof of address, photo of my face, photo holding the document) and answering a bunch of questions asked by the site, they still blocked my account again and demanded that I send a video recording myself playing and another video recording my screen simultaneously, playing for 1:30H and explaining each action taken at the tables (I played approximately 11-13 tables mixing reg+blitz). In other words, after sending everything they asked me, it was clear that I was a legitimate player and that I had solid knowledge of poker (only a crazy person would think that I would be using RTA playing 1000-1200 hands per hour and losing -2.8bb/100).

I would also like to highlight my deep disgust for the player and streamer “paSHens’’, known on PS as Ceegee. There was a player I followed live while he was playing and he even accused me during the broadcast that I was a bot, but at first I didn't care because since I was new to the field and there were really a lot of bots on the site, I didn't care, because I knew that eventually he would see that I was a legitimate player. However, after noticing that I wasn't a bot, he started insisting during his broadcasts that he suspected that I was colluding with the other Brazilians in the field (this without any proof, no showdown, just in his head). His argument was that we started playing reg tables together. Of course he didn't stop to think for a minute, because all he had to do was look at the lobby and see that the blitz field wasn't forming/forming later, and I had to increase my volume, the only option was reg tables (I really think it's hard for him to have noticed since he's a "player" who plays 5-9K hands per month). Furthermore, during the period when my account was blocked and they asked me for my documents, he said on live that Bliuzin, Nizza and I were banned for investigation. I wonder how he knew about this? Does the WPN openly tell him about the investigations and nicknames?

I may be wrong, but I believe that the reason for all this started because of “paSHens”, since he said on live that he would report the Brazilians and kept insisting on this for months (and obviously I didn't care, since I was playing honestly).

So, after almost 1.3 million hands played, going to bed at 4-5 am, playing against bots, facing huge swings and absurd stress, the WPN banned me for no reason at all, stole approximately 40K USD in rewards from me and since I was -2.8bb/100, I was left with a loss greater than 50K negative for the year, since the site's reward would only alleviate the downfall I was in.

Those who are defending the WPN, I want you to think a little if this had happened to you, because I am a player with very solid economic reserves, otherwise my career as a poker player would be destroyed and I would most likely have to give up poker. In other words, this injustice that was committed against me could very well have been committed against any other player and could have destroyed someone's career/life.


NOTE: I apologize for any spelling mistakes, as I do not speak English and am using Google Translate.

First of all, if you played honestly, then this is, of course, a disaster, and every player in your position would be just as outraged—there's no question about that. And if you've never cheated or colluded (which I still find hard to believe), then I apologize. In that case, ACR should definitely pay out the money. However, we all know that ACR is very shady.

Yea I'm pretty reluctant to come out with pitchforks since I was temporarily banned while being completely innocent, so I can relate somewhat. However given your specific circumstances with the stable, it definitely muddies the waters. I'm not exactly sure how you would go about clearing your name other than having someone from ACR review your hhs and vouch for your play. Testimonials from people who aren't affiliated with ACR mean very little unfortunately.