$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it
No one rngs river here so if you get called switch it to value. Most people will either 100% call or 100% fold.
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Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($29.68) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 32.4% | Flop Agg: 33% | Turn Agg: 36% | River Agg: 31.4% | 3Bet: 8% | 4Bet: 12.5% | Hands: 1563]
HERO ($29.50) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 56.1% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 126593]
BB ($34.78) [VPIP: 15.5% | PFR: 10.5% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 672]
UTG ($30) [VPIP: 21.5% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 39.1% | Hands: 958]
HJ ($30) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 32.3% | Hands: 405]
CO ($28.38) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 2586]
Dealt to Hero: 3♥ 3♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.62, HERO Raises To $2.99, BB Folds, BTN Calls $2.37
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.26 effective]
Flop ($6.23): A♥ 6♣ 8♦
HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: $25.46), BTN Calls $1.05 (Rem. Stack: $25.64)
Turn ($8.33): A♥ 6♣ 8♦ T♣
HERO Checks, BTN Checks
River ($8.33): A♥ 6♣ 8♦ T♣ 4♦
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $6.24 (Rem. Stack: $19.40), HERO Raises To $25.46 (allin), BTN Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $19.77
I don't think it is. It might be even better vs hyper aggressive 4better in that case at lese you can 5bet jam.
I don't think it is. It might be even better vs hyper aggressive 4better in that case at lese you can 5bet jam.
If you have GTO Wizard Elite you can just nodelock population tendencies for 4betting. Standard is 7% instead of 11% for BTN4bet vs SB3bet.
I don't have it but I'll try to get a sim for you and post it here.
The basic problem I have with GTO preflop ranges is it assumes 100% equal skill across all nodes post flop, which will never be true in practice.
I would only use GTO preflop ranges if I had zero information about my opponent or the population.
It was too monotonous for my personality.
I’m enjoying the YT thing though.
I wouldn't 3b that wide if it's not anonymous game. Bunch of those additional hands are worth close to zero even if he 4bets too tight, but your strategy is very transparent because of them.
Wasn't that BTN vs SB Regs under 4B but at the same time call to much? (Not talking about your pool but in general)
Wasn't that BTN vs SB Regs under 4B but at the same time call to much? (Not talking about your pool but in general)
Yeah they overcall but under 4bet which is why they overfold to cbets OTF.
Worrying about fringe hands preflop doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because like Haizemberg said, the close hands are going to be around 0EV so we can do whatever we want.
But I definitely don't play GTO preflop and would advise other people not too as well, if people disagree with that statement then we can just agree to disagree.
A cool spot where UTG get's 3x pot range/jamming range OTR.
I'm a nit and only went a little over 2x pot
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($30) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 9]
SB ($25.39) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 564]
BB ($33.23) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 48.4% | Flop Agg: 47.5% | Turn Agg: 46.1% | River Agg: 58.8% | 3Bet: 14.1% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 8.8% | Hands: 1758]
HERO ($35.13) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.6% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 126986]
HJ ($19.58) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 15.2% | Hands: 415]
CO ($25.73) [VPIP: 18.3% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 2786]
Dealt to Hero: 3♦ 3♥
HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [29.75 effective]
Flop ($1.10): 5♥ 2♥ J♣
BB Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($1.10): 5♥ 2♥ J♣ K♠
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.40 (Rem. Stack: $33.23), BB Calls $1.40 (Rem. Stack: $31.33)
River ($3.90): 5♥ 2♥ J♣ K♠ T♣
BB Checks, HERO Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $25.03), BB Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $3.71
A cool spot where UTG get's 3x pot range/jamming range OTR.I'm a nit and only went a little over 2x potHand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)BTN ($30) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 9]SB ($25.39) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 564]BB ($33.23)Not enough data on this but I feel like regs are more inelastic between 3x pot and 6x pot than solver, feel like either the reg is curious or just has zero interest in finding out lol. So I think ur sizing is actually optimal as bluff.
There is a very rare type of reg who plays preflop well but has a sub 40 WWSF postflop. Against this type just bluff your entire bluff catching range.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($25.35) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 14.3% | Hands: 17]
BTN ($33.33) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 34.2% | Flop Agg: 42.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 23.4% | 3Bet: 11.9% | 4Bet: 18.2% | Cold Call: 13.3% | Hands: 685]
SB ($28.04) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 41]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 46.2% | Hands: 196]
UTG ($53) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 21.7% | Hands: 28]
HERO ($46.88) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 127681]
Dealt to Hero: 7♠ 7♦
UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.50, SB Folds, BB Folds
Hero SPR on Flop: [24.32 effective]
Flop ($1.35): 3♦ 8♠ 5♥
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.43 (Rem. Stack: $32.40), HERO Calls $0.43 (Rem. Stack: $45.95)
Turn ($2.21): 3♦ 8♠ 5♥ Q♣
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $1.65 (Rem. Stack: $30.75), HERO Calls $1.65 (Rem. Stack: $44.30)
River ($5.51): 3♦ 8♠ 5♥ Q♣ T♣
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $3.35 (Rem. Stack: $27.40), HERO Raises To $44.30 (allin), BTN Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $11.60
Trying to find the 2.5x probe spots is like trying to find Waldo.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($82.18) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 1307]
SB ($7.37) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($30) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 127863]
UTG ($34.22) [VPIP: 18.1% | PFR: 15.7% | AGG: 29.6% | Hands: 2951]
HJ ($33.73) [VPIP: 24.9% | PFR: 18% | AGG: 28.6% | Flop Agg: 11.1% | Turn Agg: 44.4% | 3Bet: 5.1% | 4Bet: 35.7% | Hands: 224]
CO ($30.60) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 27% | Hands: 1462]
Dealt to Hero: Q♣ 8♣
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [26.82 effective]
Flop ($1.10): 7♣ 8♠ Q♦
HERO Checks, HJ Checks
Turn ($1.10): 7♣ 8♠ Q♦ 5♣
HERO Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $26.70)
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($32.85) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 30.7% | Hands: 2267]
SB ($69.69) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 27% | Hands: 1462]
HERO ($28.66) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 127863]
UTG ($30) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 30.5% | Hands: 656]
HJ ($21.37) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 10% | Turn Agg: 37.5% | 3Bet: 5% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 46]
CO ($82.08) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 1307]
Dealt to Hero: 4♦ 6♦
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.60, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.35
Hero SPR on Flop: [15.98 effective]
Flop ($1.30): J♠ 7♣ 7♠
HERO Checks, HJ Checks
Turn ($1.30): J♠ 7♣ 7♠ 5♣
HERO Bets $2.80 (Rem. Stack: $25.26)
Gone fishin.
Remember - monotone boards are underbluffed from regs but not fish.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($21.31) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 35.7% | Flop Agg: 45.8% | Turn Agg: 17.6% | River Agg: 40% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 81]
SB ($32.68) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 11% | AGG: 40.7% | Hands: 810]
HERO ($51.45) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38.1% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 128264]
UTG ($27.65) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 35.3% | Hands: 44]
HJ ($26.58) [VPIP: 10.8% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 27.3% | Hands: 74]
CO ($55.30) [VPIP: 30.5% | PFR: 25.3% | AGG: 40.7% | Hands: 197]
Dealt to Hero: 7♥ 7♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.70, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.45
Hero SPR on Flop: [13.74 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 6♠ K♠ 8♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $1.22 (Rem. Stack: $19.39), HERO Calls $1.22 (Rem. Stack: $49.53)
Turn ($3.94): 6♠ K♠ 8♠ 2♦
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $2.75 (Rem. Stack: $16.64), HERO Calls $2.75 (Rem. Stack: $46.78)
River ($9.44): 6♠ K♠ 8♠ 2♦ K♣
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $9.54 (Rem. Stack: $7.10), HERO Calls $9.54 (Rem. Stack: $37.24)
Spoiler
BTN shows: 9♦ Q♦
HERO wins: $27.10
This hand is INSANE.
I've never been more owned in my life. Sickest call ever
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and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($45.83) [VPIP: 35.1% | PFR: 27% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 38]
SB ($27.51) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 35.9% | Hands: 779]
BB ($27.41) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 40.5% | Flop Agg: 43.9% | Turn Agg: 37.7% | River Agg: 40% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 4.8% | Cold Call: 8.7% | Hands: 791]
UTG ($30.78) [VPIP: 17.9% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 29.6% | Hands: 3012]
HJ ($25.27) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 35.8% | Hands: 1203]
HERO ($37.49) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Flop Agg: 40.6% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Hands: 129248]
Dealt to Hero: Q♥ J♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.55, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.30
Hero SPR on Flop: [22.38 effective]
Flop ($1.20): 9♠ T♣ 4♦
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $36.04), BB Calls $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $25.96)
Turn ($3): 9♠ T♣ 4♦ 2♠
BB Checks, HERO Bets $3.70 (Rem. Stack: $32.34), BB Raises To $9.73 (Rem. Stack: $16.23), HERO Calls $6.03 (Rem. Stack: $26.31)
River ($22.46): 9♠ T♣ 4♦ 2♠ T♦
BB Checks, HERO Bets $26.31 (allin), BB Calls $16.23 (allin)
Spoiler
BB shows: Q♦ K♥
BB wins: $52.18
Lol that looks like a misclick, considering you must have AX combos that missed a turn gutshot in your river rip range, meaning they're still losing to some of your bluffs. Wouldn't think too much about this hand, sometimes people click buttons while eating Subway, watching Dance with the Stars and decide their K high is good regardless of what's going on.
Studying some hands and found this cool spot.
Range Donk Spot for OOP PFC here OTT!
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HERO ($57.52) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Flop Agg: 40.6% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | River Agg: 41.8% | 3Bet: 10.7% | Fold to 3Bet: 56% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Hands: 129345]
SB ($19.75) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 22.9% | Hands: 688]
BB ($30) [VPIP: 30.5% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 471]
UTG ($8.38) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 7.1% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 14]
HJ ($29.56) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 19.6% | AGG: 34.4% | Hands: 319]
CO ($33) [VPIP: 18.5% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 11.1% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 28]
Dealt to Hero: K♥ Q♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.62, HERO Raises To $1.81, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $1.19
Hero SPR on Flop: [7.86 effective]
Flop ($3.97): 6♠ 4♥ 4♠
CO Checks, HERO Bets $1.98 (Rem. Stack: $53.73), CO Calls $1.98 (Rem. Stack: $29.21)
Turn ($7.93): 6♠ 4♥ 4♠ 3♥
CO ?
This hand is INSANE.I've never been more owned in my life. Sickest call ever Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)BTN ($45.83) [VPIP: 35.1% | PFR: 27% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 38]SB ($27.51) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 35.9% | Hands: 779]BB ($27.41)This is actually really sick, I thought it was a whale or misclick at first glance but I actually think the call isn't that bad if ip bluffs all busted draws thats not Ax of spades, if we count combos we have 16 combos of QJ, 4 combos of 87s (theory shouldnt bet this but population probably does), and alot of spade combos and combo draws, we need almost twice that much combos of value to be balanced here. Population is not always jamming overpairs pure here imo, so we have 1 combo of T9s, 1 combo of TT, 3 combos of 99, 44, maybe 1 combo of 22 that bets low frequency on flop, if we give ip half his overpair combos to jam and AT, thats only 20 more combos which is still much less than our value combos needed (29 value combos roughly, 20 bluff combos not counting spades)
Really sick spot think its really easy to overbluff here as ip, solver probably will actually give up a fair bit of bluffs due to the super brick runout that cuts down value.
This is actually really sick, I thought it was a whale or misclick at first glance but I actually think the call isn't that bad if ip bluffs all busted draws thats not Ax of spades, if we count combos we have 16 combos of QJ, 4 combos of 87s (theory shouldnt bet this but population probably does), and alot of spade combos and combo draws, we need almost twice that much combos o
I don’t like his turn XR since it’s over called in MDA as I have a lot of equity that wants to call. River line is amazing though.
He tanked too so I think that makes it less likely to be a misclick.
Sick hand
Nice flip
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($29.46) [VPIP: 19.7% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 22.6% | Hands: 563]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 37.1% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 36]
HERO ($23.43) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Hands: 130479]
SB ($42.41) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 20.5% | Hands: 561]
BB ($74.54) [VPIP: 24.3% | PFR: 20.3% | AGG: 33.7% | Hands: 645]
UTG ($25) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 22.7% | Hands: 310]
Dealt to Hero: 6♦ 6♣
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.77, HERO Raises To $2.11, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Raises To $5.70, HERO Raises To $23.43 (allin), CO Calls $17.73
Flop ($47.21): 8♥ J♥ 9♠
Turn ($47.21): 8♥ J♥ 9♠ 9♦
River ($47.21): 8♥ J♥ 9♠ 9♦ 5♥
Spoiler
CO shows: 8♣ 7♣
CO wins: $44.85
Villain misses a golden opportunity to use a 2.5x probe sizing.
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and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($29.90) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Flop Agg: 40.5% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | River Agg: 41.9% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Hands: 130663]
SB ($29.27) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 11% | AGG: 42.4% | Hands: 953]
BB ($25.52) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 50% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($30.43) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 100% | Hands: 6]
HJ ($29.60) [VPIP: 16.2% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 74]
CO ($32.16) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 21% | AGG: 43.7% | Hands: 1512]
Dealt to Hero: J♦ K♣
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.35
Hero SPR on Flop: [19.17 effective]
Flop ($1.30): Q♥ K♠ 7♦
BB Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($1.30): Q♥ K♠ 7♦ 4♠
BB Bets $0.65 (Rem. Stack: $24.27), HERO Calls $0.65 (Rem. Stack: $28.65)
River ($2.60): Q♥ K♠ 7♦ 4♠ Q♦
BB Bets $1.89 (Rem. Stack: $22.38), HERO Calls $1.89 (Rem. Stack: $26.76)
Spoiler
BB shows: A♠ 3♠
HERO wins: $6.07
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($21.06) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 8]
SB ($18.06) [VPIP: 42.1% | PFR: 11% | AGG: 37.8% | Hands: 165]
HERO ($55.92) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Flop Agg: 40.5% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 130663]
UTG ($30) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 8]
HJ ($63.37) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 55.6% | Flop Agg: 60% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 45]
CO ($28.92) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 47.9% | Hands: 1487]
Dealt to Hero: 7♣ A♣
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.55, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.30
Hero SPR on Flop: [46.14 effective]
Flop ($1.20): 8♣ 3♠ 8♥
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $62.52), HERO Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $55.07)
Turn ($1.80): 8♣ 3♠ 8♥ 4♣
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $61.62), HERO Raises To $5.70 (Rem. Stack: $49.37), HJ Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $3.42
I have the same tendencies as population, this line is overbluffed.
New video out tomorrow as well.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)HJ ($29.46) [VPIP: 19.7% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 22.6% | Hands: 563]CO ($25) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 37.1% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 36]HERO ($23.43) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 38% | Hands: 130479]SB ($42.41) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 20.5% | Hands: 561]BB ($74.54) [VPIP:Lol some kind of redbaron meta **** in order to get action going on here? I mean I do kinda like it, def gets action in a non-anonymous pool. Not going to try myself though, but I do admit I've been found guilty of similar crimes a couple of times😀
