The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For contex
1. I agree that banning you for having 88 in your name is unjust and stupid. I'm curious why you can acknowledge that as unjust, but stop short of saying as much about the lesbian scenario, even if ultimately you acknowledge that it's up to reddit to run their site how they want? Imagine you are the admin -- what's your ruling?
2a. Right, so you consider it a valid sexual orientation then, right? Why would whether a "trans-lesbian" is coming from a place of malice or not matter? Assume they aren't. I'm asking what YOU think about these scenarios, not how others might.
2a. Perhaps this will clarify any ambiguity: at what point do you consider a trans-identified male to be fully "transitioned" and equal to a same-sex attracted female, i.e., when should we/society/lesbians/females consider them a lesbian? Is there a threshold that can weed out the malicious and sketchy ones?
3. What/who is denying the trans-identity exists? You think it's okay for the lesbian in this scenario to say, "I don't want to date you because you're trans" to a trans-identified male who identifies as a lesbian? But it's problematic if the lesbian says, "It's not because you're trans, it's because you have a penis and I see you as male?" because that's rejecting the trans-identity that should supersede the trans-lesbians biology? Is that correct?
7. Restraint due to what, though? Because your partner was a female or just because they were your partner? If a guy threw the headbutt, do you still only slap him or throw a bunch?
8. You didn't suggest a solution, only said what wouldn't be the answer and that a business has the choice (which might not be true since legislative changes are/can place "gender identity" on the same level as sex). Reading between the lines, it seems you're leaning toward self-identification to supersede biological sex in these cases? Ok, so regardless of any trauma or fear that women have at being naked with males, the "soul" inside is most important and the trans-women in question have every right to join the female-only nude spa area. Is that a fair summarization of your stance?
8a. I am not outlining "most scenarios." I gave you extremely specific scenarios. You are circumventing every question to answer something else. I didn't say there were no other options. How would that even be a question worth posing? Do you think trans-identified males should be allowed to work in female-only clinics, such as rape trauma centers or domestic violence shelters? Given that you believe they're one in the same, I assume yes?
8b. Is there? If I say, "I choose a female doctor" and a "trans-identified male" shows up, did I get my choice granted or what? I am not asking about the choice, but the result. Again, you seem to be avoiding answering directly.
8c. Ok, so "they should be accommodated for as much as possible" means what? We should make the distinction between trans-identified males and females for women who adhere to these distinctions? Ok, so we make exceptions for this kind of exclusionary bigotry if a female has been abused?
9. Ok, can you understand that I have no idea what distinction you're making due to the corruption of our language here? Can you try and be clearer with answers when the stances I'm curious about are kind of obvious? Is it worthless for me to make the distinction between female and "trans females" in this convo because you're using them interchangeably? Genuinely confused.
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Sorry, I'm just going to throw you on ignore. Too difficult to corral you into what is actually being discussed. It's a chore to deal with it.
That's just silly. The basic observation that trans people exist who have a gender identity that doesn't match their chromosomes isn't the same thing as saying chromosomes don't matter at all. But at least this is better than the hilariously inept characterization that unquoted pro-trans people allegedly think you can change your chromosomes. Like you have a bad argument now, b
I really don’t care about feels (ie, gender identity). If you’re a man, I’m calling you he, because that is the correct pronoun for a man. How do I know a person is a man, XY chromosomes, a penis of varying size, production of male gametes.
Some people in Spain are fighting back against the law that allows to change sex just by self identification with absolutely no other consideration taken.
How?
By doing that.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/...
Since the "law for the equality of trans people" came into force in March 2023, 47 people have changed "sex" in the civil registry in the Spanish enclave on the Moroccan coast. Of these, 39, mainly military and police personnel, have changed from male to female. LGBTQ associations were quick to point to a possible fraudulent application of the law.
"There can be no fraud in the law, since the law is based on self-perception and contains no requirements. Those who question the gender condition I claim should be careful. We've already filed a complaint for transphobia against the National Federation of Gays, Lesbians and Trans, a woke association that criticizes us for not changing our appearance," explained, with the utmost seriousness, David Peralta, a 37-year-old Madrid "policewoman," secretary and co-founder of the Non-Normative Trans Association, to which most of Ceuta's policemen-turned-policewomen belong.
/Some say they want to increase their chances of obtaining custody of their children, others want to pass the women's competitive exams to become a firefighter or police officer more easily, or avoid complaints of gender violence/
Do you guys start to understand that if you allow change of legal sex just by self identification, you cannot have ANY special rule for women in any part of society right? it annihilates ANY special treatment of women you might want to have
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Another guy in Spain, with a guilty verdict for assault on his girlfriend, legally changed sex becoming a woman and that cancelled the aggravating "violence over women" factor that requires the perpetrator to be a man, beating a woman
Some people in Spain are fighting back against the law that allows to change sex just by self identification with absolutely no other consideration taken.How?By doing that. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/... Since the "law for the equality of trans people" came into
Transallies do not care about women. They’re misogynists; all of them. They do not mind destroying the equality women have fought years to obtain.
1. I agree that banning you for having 88 in your name is unjust and stupid. I'm curious why you can acknowledge that as unjust, but stop short of saying as much about the lesbian scenario, even if ultimately you acknowledge that it's up to reddit to run their site how they want? Imagine you are the admin -- what's your ruling?
why is it unjust and stupid? its not.
why is it unjust and stupid? its not.
do you even know the meaning of it? obviously you do not.
I had to google it because i thought it was a joke, in Italy 88 isn't banned content and here it's the first time i read it linked with antisemitism.
Googling i found that it stands for heil hitler or something like that because is the eight letter.
But in Italy any nickname with 88 in it would just imply that's the year of birth of the user
I saw you deleted your comment saying ''it's a well known code''. It's really not.
Googling i found that it stands for heil hitler or something like that because is the eight letter.
But in Italy any nickname with 88 in it would just imply that's the year of birth of the user
in 99.99% of the cases it would imply the year of birth of someone and not just in Italy.
It's a massive leap to assume someone is promoting Nazi ideology because they have 2 numbers in their name. I'd assume it's just a birth year or random before outright banning someone for it. We should also stop ceding normal things to dick wads. Pepe the Frog and the OK symbol need to be reclaimed, too.
88 is relatively well known. There are lots of 88 tattoos and stuff out there as an example. But it’s also Michael Irving’s number, and a birth year, and 8 is a luck number to (probably) billions of people, so yeah, I’m vehemently against ceding the number 8 to nazis. It’s been my favorite number for 30+ years because it’s also infinity
88 is relatively well known. There are lots of 88 tattoos and stuff out there as an example. But it’s also Michael Irving’s number, and a birth year, and 8 is a luck number to (probably) billions of people, so yeah, I’m vehemently against ceding the number 8 to nazis. It’s been my favorite number for 30+ years because it’s also infinity
As an example of what? 88 being HH or just 88 being any of the other reasons you mentioned? Can't say I've seen many 88 tattoos in my life let alone 88 that stood for heil hitler but I'll admit I don't really hang out with nazis so maybe I'm missing out.
88 is relatively well known. There are lots of 88 tattoos and stuff out there as an example. But it’s also Michael Irving’s number, and a birth year, and 8 is a luck number to (probably) billions of people, so yeah, I’m vehemently against ceding the number 8 to nazis. It’s been my favorite number for 30+ years because it’s also infinity
it's actually a real shame because the nazis didn't make much original symbolism
the overwhelming majority of the stuff they used was borrowed and things which were commonly used throughout history and now we can't use that anymore because using that 13th century shepherd symbol which the nazis liked now means you are a nazi
you can't even do what used to be the very popular toothbrush mustache style (which is an american originated style actually)
adolf used to be a very popular name - in 1880 over 2% of all german boys were named adolf - for perspective about 1% of americans are named michael
it's super refreshing where you can go to asia and they still use swastikas as they always have and dgaf that the nazis also used them
As an example of what? 88 being HH or just 88 being any of the other reasons you mentioned? Can't say I've seen many 88 tattoos in my life let alone 88 that stood for heil hitler but I'll admit I don't really hang out with nazis so maybe I'm missing out.
Its not like they are terribly common. Most people know not to flaunt nazi imagery. I can't say I've ever seen one in real life
just two bros born in 1988
it's actually a real shame because the nazis didn't make much original symbolismthe overwhelming majority of the stuff they used was borrowed and things which were commonly used throughout history and now we can't use that anymore because using that 13th century shepherd symbol which the nazis liked now means you are a naziyou can't even do what used to be the very popular toot
He also ruined the mustache for mankind. I would look even hotter with that mustache but can't cause someone decided to ruin it for us all.
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you can't even do what used to be the very popular toothbrush mustache style (which is an american originated style actually)
Adolf Hitler, after the Great War, affected a Charlie Chaplin moustache, which was in fashion at the time, because like a lot of basically humourless people he was a massive Chaplin fan. He was very annoyed by Chaplin's 1940 film The Great Dictator, which made fun of him, but by then his official 'state image' was fixed and he couldn't change it and had to carry on wearing a Chaplin, which is, I suppose, quite funny.
The toothbrush moustache is surely the David Niven style. Adolf Hitler, after the Great War, affected a Charlie Chaplin moustache, which was in fashion at the time, because like a lot of basically humourless people he was a massive Chaplin fan. He was very annoyed by Chaplin's 1940 film The Great Dictator, which made fun of him, but by then his official 'state image' was fixed
I always thought it was Hitler who tried (and miserably failed) to make fun of "the great dictator" movie
I always thought it was Hitler who tried (and miserably failed) to make fun of "the great dictator" movie
Pretty sure it was Chaplin who had the laugh on Hitler rather than the other way round. For one thing, Chaplin didn't even have a moustache, except a stuck-on one for filming because it looked funny.
I had sex with a lesbian once. Twice actually. Was happy to be able to check that box off. She's now happily in a relationship with a woman but just wanted to try it.
