Israel/Palestine thread

How many acts of islamic terror organized in foreign countries happened in Italy, after we proudly helped the USA defeat the Talibans?

And what has Iraq to do with the topic at all? the acts of terror were organized in afghanistan

Because that's what they say they want, and because it's obviously the right thing to do.

If that fails to achieve peace then give everyone in Israel, Gaza and the WB the option of a US, Australian or Canadian passport and end it that way.

You forgot about the "Axis Of Evil".

How many acts of terrors by Tamil Tigers happened after Sri Lanka butchered all their leaders in 2009 ?

In the EU our top court had to determine the LTTE wasn't technically a terrorist group anymore because it had done nothing since 2009 lol

You forgot the topic is "if you assassinate a lot of terrorist leaders and their militias , what happens to the frequency of terrorist attacks".

You claim it increases. I claim it decreases. I am giving you real life examples.

to add a few off the top of my head, eta is completely gone, the ira are finished, virtually every one of those terrorist communist struggles in latin america has been reduced to a few blokes hanging out in the jungle, and, not that i would advocate the actual genocide which took place in grozny, but a couple of decades on the chechens are now fighting the russians' wars for them

800,000 Tamils leaving Sri Lanka might have had something to do with it, echoed in the aims of the Israel fan club for Gazans.

Nope.

and it will remain for thousands more, but i am hopeful that the people of gaza can be moved to the modern-day western european model of antisemitism (where their main expression of it is to get on the internet to complain about the influence of central bankers), rather than the germany 1944 model

yes, they might. And? terror ended by force, by using violence against your enemies until the enemy was no more.

Which you claim can't happen in Gaza. Why?

It began some years before then. Surprised you didn't know that.

Being willing to kill hostages in order to kill the terrorists was key to beat chechenyan terror. After that, what can they do? they killed 100+ civilians to guarantee every terrorist in the theater got slaughtered in 2002.

Cleary if you genocide or ethnically cleanse a large chunk of the population that terrorists are drawn from you weaken them.

And there I was, thinking you were merely talking about killing terrorists.

Thank you for clarifying your wishes.

It will be a thousand years before the regional Muslim states are similar to modern-day western European countries, and it's been fewer than a hundred years since western Europe became even that enlightened.

If the ONLY way to beat terror without giving up to a group demand (which should never happen the instant they start doing terror, otherwise that's what ALL groups will always do) is genocide or ethnical cleansing, then that makes genocide or ethnical cleansing acceptable, do you understand that yes?

fortunately, it is not the only way. But if it was, then it would be moral to use it, because it's always moral to defend yourself no matter the consequences to others

And ofc fewer Tamils as a % of Tamil population left Sri Lanka than palestinians left gaza +WB, so it can't be that which completly terminated terror.

My wishes, as always, are about eradicating terror against our countries and our allies, as the utmost moral imperative.

I am willing to do anything to achieve that, and i never claimed anything to the contrary.

Among the options that guarantee complete victory, it's moral to choose that which does less damage to innocent third parties.

If the only working option though is horrendous for third parties, not my problem at all, it's still fully moral to act that way.

Hamas is not going to be completely killed off. Even if they were there would be another group that would rise up. The idea of giving Palestine statehood with Hamas as part of the government is to leverage the fact that Hamas is not a unified group. By allowing the Hamas political wing to receive money to rebuild Gaza the investors gain the ability to pressure Hamas to be less violent.

Is it a good plan? Probably not. It's the best plan available though.

Quite correct, but that supports my points, not yours. Israel will never not be under attack from regional Islamist states for as long as both exist.

things can change quickly. that said i am not counting on it and would still politely suggest to the jews in the middle east that getting the **** out of there and setting up shop somewhere in the states, where they will not be surrounded by many millions of people who currently consider it their number one godly duty to murder jews, and where it will not soon be 60 degrees in the shade, is a neat idea

what is it about hamas (& hypothetical replacement) that makes them indestructible compared to say the basque separatists who spent 60 years putting bombs everywhere?

Aren't they pretty unified on "from the river to the sea"?

wait why do you think that, Tunisia is already better than 1930 Italy or Spain. Morocco as well. Egypt is perhaps 20-30 years behind

More allies.

Then you kill everyone in Gaza and the WB who ever expressed intentions to harm Israel, or acted toward that, until they are all dead. That's the best plan available.

Spain vs the Middle East is quite different.