Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You say that yet then you say things which seem to contradict yourself constantly. Meanwhile you attack me for not being negative enough when I say that Israel is not acting appropriately..
You really think you can just call something as disgusting as killing thousands of kids "not acting appropriately"?
Who do you think the 9/11 terrorists were attempting to save when they flew the planes into civilians?.
You're not making sense. If the 9/11 terrorists had wanted to maximise the number of deaths they'd have chosen another target than the WTC, like the Super Bowl final. The twin towers were chosen because they symbolised the financial domination of the US.
Really surprised I have to explain this to an American.
Sounds like I did make it? You're not making sense again.
on november 30, hamas announced that they were in the planning stages of additional actions on israeli soil which would, quote, make oct 7 look like a rehearsal. you'll recall that oct 7 involved the murder and rape of over a thousand israeli civilians, so feel free to speculate on what hamas had in mind for round two (and round three, and so on)since that announcement, approxi
15,000 "terrorists" lol
I agree the job is not yet complete and won't be until the genocide is over (when new threats to Israel will undoubtedly emerge) or Israel changes direction.
15,000 "terrorists" lol
I agree the job is not yet complete and won't be until the genocide is over (when new threats to Israel will undoubtedly emerge) or Israel changes direction.
Well every person in Hamas is a terrorist according to several countries.
And material supporters of Hamas can be treated as such even if they aren't official hamas members.
So yes i agree 15k is a lowball estimate, can't consider wives and adult daughters of hamas members, and hamas material supporters, automatically innocent victims for example.
He asked about the number of dead terrorists, not total number.
As tens of thousands of women and children have been murdered by the repulsive state of Israel it's safe to assume that the number of dead terrorists is much lower.
He asked about the number of dead terrorists, not total number.
As tens of thousands of women and children have been murdered by the repulsive state of Israel it's safe to assume that the number of dead terrorists is much lower.
Because for unknown reasons you want women and "children" to be automatically excluded.
Why, as i asked, do you think women can't be part of the "resistance"? keep in mind that any material support to Hamas at any stage makes them fair targets.
Same for adolescents boys and girls.
a 16y old helps moving stocks of hamas weapons: fair target.
a 16y old helps bringing food to the hostages: fair target.
Wife of hamas member helps husband or colleagues in any way to achieve any hamas aim: fair target
Anyone who in any capacity helped hamas is a fair target, women and "children" included. And can be labelled a terrorist
So despite all evidence to the contrary, photographic, video and eye witness, you believe that no one under the age of 16 has been killed by Israel.
So despite all evidence to the contrary, photographic, video and eye witness, you believe that no one under the age of 16 has been killed by Israel.
Never wrote or implied that.
I wrote and implied that among the 40k deaths, a lot of them were hamas collaborators or hamas proper . Almost certainly more than 40% of the total.
You think 15k out of 40k being linked to hamas is an excess estimate, i think it's a very lowball estimate. For the reasons given.
And so the IDF killed an incredibly low ratio of innocents , the lowest in warfare world history in urban settings, while pursuing fair targets.
We should all praise the IDF for the exceptional morality and efficiency they have shown and learn from them.
And so the IDF killed an incredibly low ratio of innocents , the lowest in warfare world history in urban settings, while pursuing fair targets..
You don't have the numbers to back up this hyperbole.
we can discuss next time when it happens, but i think you might be waiting a very, very long time for us to have the conversation as israel seems very serious about preventing another oct 7
Hopefully we never will but ridiculous to think iits anything like impossible.
yes, and equally ridiculous to think that the chance of hamas raping and murdering thousands of israeli civilians in future has not been greatly diminished by the actions of the IDF since the start of the war
you can counter me with any example you might have in mind of urban warfare, without the population being evacuated, where the civilians to combatants death ratio was lower than 25k to 15k.
I'll wait.
You made the numbers claim, it's clearly up to you to cite.
yes, and equally ridiculous to think that the chance of hamas raping and murdering thousands of israeli civilians in future has not been greatly diminished by the actions of the IDF since the start of the war
If not Hamas then someone else, as long as Israel continues to deny Palestinians their own country while grabbing more of the WB.
Jalfrezi constantly contradicts himself because he has no position beyond “Israel bad” and “Zionist bad”. There’s hardly any underlying rhyme or reason to the stuff he posts.
Some examples please.
i'm using hamas as an umbrella term to include hamas and the other terrorist organisations operating out of gaza - the chance that any of their members rape or kill any israeli civilians has been greatly diminished due to the actions of the IDF in killing their soldiers and leaders, and dismantling their infrastructure, since oct 7
Lol? everyone who knew the location of an hostage and didn't tell that to IDF counts. Everyone who knew someone is hamas and helped him in any way fight against IDF counts.
This is not fair
You don't think ratting out Hamas could not end in dire consequence for that person,, their family, their extended family, their friends?
This is not fair
You don't think ratting out Hamas could not end in dire consequence for that person,, their family, their extended family, their friends?
afaik Hamas hasn't the tools to break even whatsapp encryption.
And we have a word for that, it's called omertà, what helped mafiosos for a long time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omert%C3%A...
No i don't justify people for not ratting out especially in the age of information when it is exceptionally easy to communicate facts to third parties without no one ever knowing you did it.
yes, and equally ridiculous to think that the chance of hamas raping and murdering thousands of israeli civilians in future has not been greatly diminished by the actions of the IDF since the start of the war
If we include hamas or similar, and we extend it to attrocities against israel in general then sorry no it's not anythign like ridiculous.
That's a lie.
You go through my posts and cite where I've "posted in support of them". You claim to have seen such posts so it shouldn't take you long, should it?
You agree with many of their requests. Starting with a complete ceasefire and IDF leaving Gaza.
And in supporting those requests, you support them, because if things go according to those requests, Hamas can rebuild the capacity to strike Israel.
You don't perhaps "cheer" for them explicitly, but you agree with choices that will help them.
He asked about the number of dead terrorists, not total number.
As tens of thousands of women and children have been murdered by the repulsive state of Israel it's safe to assume that the number of dead terrorists is much lower.
Many of those women and children were probably terrorists. Or hiding terrorists under the table in the schoolroom or under the hospital bed. Who can know.
You agree with many of their requests. Starting with a complete ceasefire and IDF leaving Gaza.
And in supporting those requests, you support them, because if things go according to those requests, Hamas can rebuild the capacity to strike Israel.
You don't perhaps "cheer" for them explicitly, but you agree with choices that will help them.
LOL So everyone wanting a ceasefire is a terrorist supporter?
