Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Proportion of Gaza + WB residents over current Israeli population is approx 40% iirc.
150m is 40% of current American population.
One of the proposals is to let Gaza and WB residents join Israel and vote all happily thereafter right?
That's like adding 150m traditional Muslim voters to the American population
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He gets the number from what it would take to Mahe muslim the majority here
Adding Gaza Judea and samaria makes muslim the majority there
American Muslims aren't random samples of 3k/year countries either, they are some of the best and the brightest originated in Muslim countries, that's what the USA selects for from overseas.
Same as Canadian muslims
True
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He gets the number from what it would take to Mahe muslim the majority here
Adding Gaza Judea and samaria makes muslim the majority there
Yes I was grunching a bit and then realised he was probably pro-rating something.
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He gets the number from what it would take to Mahe muslim the majority here
Adding Gaza Judea and samaria makes muslim the majority there
No I get it as a proportion of Palestinian population vs Israeli population.
Muslims become the majority because you (in Israel) already have 2m of them, wouldn't be the majority in the USA but they would be 40% of voters, and more in the future (they have more children), lucky if you can still eat pork in 2050 in the USA if that happens
You really don't care too much about women and homosexual rights in the USA do you?
You think abortion referendum will be won by pro abortionist like today after you add those people in, for example?
You're not a serious poster if you think Muslims wouldn't become liberal in the US.
Another great point
In this bilateral state can you behead gay people? Do you recognize gay marriage done in other countries? Do women have to have heads covered?
You won't be advocating for the US to accept orthodox Jewish people then, will you?
Is there room for 150m more people in the USA? Yes if housing regulations change dramatically and you wait the 15-20 years needed to build the necessary housing and infrastructure.
Would it be smart to import 150m people with values very detrimental to everything that made america successful giving them a right to vote? Lol no
He's saying abortion would become illegal
Because they would vote against abortion. And gay marriage. And other things
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0...
So would abortion be legal or illegal in this bilateral nation?
I wouldn't but I won't spend too much effort to avoid that because unlike Muslims, there aren't hundred of millions of Orthodox Jews around to begin with.
Yes, quantities matter.
But if the "price" to pay to make it constitutionally illegal for a religious person to naturalize as an american would be to exclude Orthodox Jews as well , yes , tell me where to sign.
Add trad Cath and trad Hindus to the list and I am a happy man
Is there room for 150m more people in the USA? Yes if housing regulations change dramatically and you wait the 15-20 years needed to build the necessary housing and infrastructure.
Would it be smart to import 150m people with values very detrimental to everything that made america successful giving them a right to vote? Lol no
Luciom, it's not "sensible" for any country ever to bring 150M people in overnight ffs.
He's saying abortion would become illegal
Because they would vote against abortion. And gay marriage. And other things
Not over a long period of time they wouldn't, and as I just said no one ever brings 150M people into anywhere overnight, or even in a few years.
It's just a stupid mind game.
https://lux-magazine.com/article/abortio...
Here's an article telling palestinian women how to sneak past checkpoints to have abortions in Israel. Hadassah hospital will perform them free. For palestinians and for Israelis
When i visited hadassah hospital they explained how any time a palestinian comes, they send them back with birth control and imunnizations hoping they can sneak them to palestinians who want and need them
What will be the status in this bilateral nation with a Muslim majority
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What is more unpalatable to you
A jewish state that still allows Muslims to practice and be citizens or a bilateral state where women and Jews lose their rights
Which do you prefer?
I wouldn't advocate for enough of them to be the majority be allowed to immigrate, no
Not over a long period of time they wouldn't, and as I just said no one ever brings 150M people into anywhere overnight, or even in a few years.
It's just a stupid mind game.
They do. They are asking Israel to take Gaza + WB residents in overnight with voting rights.
At least that's one of the proposals on the table.
If you disagree with that idea (of Palestinians ever voting for the same polity current Israeli vote for) we are fine
That specific case looks like a problem I agree, but how common is it? Conservative Christians are often talking about wanting to get rid of LGBTQ+ stuff.
Which is why it is not sensible for a country of 10m people to join 4m trad Muslims giving them voting rights!
Because you know that's literally identical to adding 150m trade Muslims to America, proportionally
If you're so concerned about LGBTQ+ and not merely using them as a weapon I expect to see you railing against bigoted Christians too - but never see this.
I can't quite put my finger on why that could be.
you support trump who wants to ban abortion, among other things. should all republicans be deported somewhere? (yes)
you support trump who wants to ban abortion, among other things. should all republicans be deported somewhere? (yes)
I don't support trump, trump doesn't support a complete ban to abortion, and I am a normal European wrt abortion (free first trimester, then a lot of rules because the fetus becomes a human life)
