How Would You Play JJ Here in 3BP?
Only 40ish hands at the time. WWSF was 1/6 and he did snap bet the turn. All other timing decisions seemed normal.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO (136.7BBs)
BB (441BBs) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 25.9% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 58]
UTG (59.6BBs) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 30]
HJ (103.8BBs) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 26.7% | AGG: 29.4% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 25% | 3Bet: 14.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 46]
CO (26.8BBs) [VPIP: 35% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 25.9% | Hands: 40]
BTN (102.7BBs) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 3.8% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 27]
Dealt to Hero: J♣ J♦
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To 2.2BBs, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To 10BBs, BB Folds, HJ Calls 7.8BBs
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.46 effective]
Flop (21BBs): 2♠ 6♠ 9♣
HERO Bets 10BBs (Rem. Stack: 116.7BBs), HJ Calls 10BBs (Rem. Stack: 83.8BBs)
Turn (41BBs): 2♠ 6♠ 9♣ 4♠
HERO Checks, HJ Bets 25.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 58BBs), HERO Calls 25.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 91BBs)
River (92.4BBs): 2♠ 6♠ 9♣ 4♠ 4♥
HERO Checks, HJ Bets 58BBs (allin),
Seems like a snap call to me.
As played, fold river. I think if we are holding the Js we can crai otr or call down
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Prefer a flop X. These lower board's get overstabbed a bit.
As played I'd fold river and don't think it's close.
Turn sizing is a tell as theory goes smaller there and FCT is slightly stronger than FCR in C-B-B plus tight formation.
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As played, fold river. I think if we are holding the Js we can crai ott or call down
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Prefer a flop X. These lower board's get overstabbed a bit.
As played I'd fold river and don't think it's close.
Turn sizing is a tell as theory goes smaller there and FCT is slightly stronger than FCR in C-B-B plus tight formation.
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Would you XR flop? That's typically my plan when I do check.
Too much air because people call too many 3b, can do it with worse pairs esp with a spade, and all draws/overcards bricked.
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I think either way is fine. You do get a good % of donk leads on Ace/King turns so that's something to keep in my mind for your range if you do x/c.
Another reason I don't like calling down is not only is C-B-B underbluffed on FCT but also the 3 spades are very low so IP basically has all flushes in his range and the board isn't blocking any.
I think you have to consider the fact that he is able to float the flop with air a ton, its such a low board.
When you check, if you are check calling the turn to check fold the river I think thats a mistake unless you have a read that says he never bluffs river.
I think if you want to fold, the turn is the spot to fold, as there are some people who dont bluff scare cards at all.
Too much air because people call too many 3b, can do it with worse pairs esp with a spade, and all draws/overcards bricked.
What additional air is there actually when they call too much?
Maybe a bit more AQo with a spade but they probably have less AKo than they should. Anything suited mostly means more flushes by river so really just 87s? If they call more pocket pairs that's a lot more value and no more bluffs
Folding turn vs this size, B33 and XF river seems fine though
What additional air is there actually when they call too much?
Maybe a bit more AQo with a spade but they probably have less AKo than they should. Anything suited mostly means more flushes by river so really just 87s? If they call more pocket pairs that's a lot more value and no more bluffs
Folding turn vs this size, B33 and XF river seems fine though
I agree with this after thinking about it, folding turn is the best play.
What additional air is there actually when they call too much?
Maybe a bit more AQo with a spade but they probably have less AKo than they should. Anything suited mostly means more flushes by river so really just 87s? If they call more pocket pairs that's a lot more value and no more bluffs
Folding turn vs this size, B33 and XF river seems fine though
Offsuit broadways and pairs if I had to guess. A lot of people have f3b in the 40s.
I thought x/jam turn but was totally wrong. Flush turns are so bad for our JJ/TT range and we need to x/fold most (non ♠) vs action. And if pio folds it is usually time to uberfold
They definitely call preflop too much but they overfold flop so the turn range isn't air heavy.
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Maybe you can bet turn and check fold river.
AP-Either check fold turn or call down. All of his bluffs have spade and most regs keep betting that otr as well. I think just folding turn is fine you beat no value and bluffs have equity vs you, outs are trash as well.
I like the check ott beyond that i dunno seems dodgy at best…maybe fold ott
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I think either way is fine. You do get a good % of donk leads on Ace/King turns so that's something to keep in my mind for your range if you do x/c.
Another reason I don't like calling down is not only is C-B-B underbluffed on FCT but also the 3 spades are very low so IP basically has all flushes in his range and the board isn't blocking any.
If the turn is a 4c, does that change anything about the reasoning process? You're getting ~2.7:1 on a river call. When you say underbluffed, how much are we talking?
I think how the board and action played, the river is a fold. Just curious how much it changes on a different turn. When I look at the hand, the turn sizing to setup the easy call river bet is the biggest tell to me.
If the turn is a 4c, does that change anything about the reasoning process? You're getting ~2.7:1 on a river call. When you say underbluffed, how much are we talking?I think how the board and action played, the river is a fold. Just curious how much it changes on a different turn. When I look at the hand, the turn sizing to setup the easy call river bet is the biggest tell to m
If the turn is a 4c and we check and villain stabs we jam turn. If you are asking what is the difference between a C-B-B line when a FCT and a FD bricks out the difference will be 2%-3% at least. I don't have exact data for missed FD but FCT is 2% under average and usually missed FD's are over average in most spots.
Actually I found something that is pretty unintuitive in going through this data.
a C30-B30-B line is stronger than both a C30-B50-B line and C30-B70-B line (yeah I know it is C50-B-B but I don't have filtered data for that line).
That is pretty crazy and show's a reverse sizing tell.
