Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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FYI, the allies did feed the Germans they occupied.
Even the Germans fed (most) of the people they occupied.
Even during the Middle Ages, hell, literally biblical times, it was considered humane and moral to feed your enemies.
How is this even an argument.
The allies fed the Germans after they had surrendered. If they also did it before then, that was a mistake IMO.
The Germans occupied entire large countries that had farmland and their own food supply. But again, the countries Germany occupied had surrendered to Germany.
As has been said many times, Hamas could stop the war any day of their choosing; all they have to do is surrender.
War is not humane. If you want to be treated humanely, give up.
Yeah none of this explains why you don't give a **** about children starving to death.
I care a hell of a lot lot more about children starving to death than Hamas and the leaders of Gaza do.
FYI, the allies did feed the Germans they occupied.
Even the Germans fed (most) of the people they occupied.
Even during the Middle Ages, hell, literally biblical times, it was considered humane and moral to feed your enemies.
How is this even an argument.
In northern italy from september 1943 to the end of the war we were under nazi occupation with a puppet italian government in Salò. We had less than 1k calories /day of rations "guaranteed" (still needed to pay for them, not given for free), and the nazis regularly stole farmers food in rural areas under various pretenses.
The lack of food was so intense the main recruiting tool for the puppet government was food itself, akin to hamas stealing the aid and using it to further it's power within palestinians.
The issue here in Gaza is how to distribute aid without hamas getting most of it, as you know. It's not a matter of not being willing to give aid to the civilians.
I suppose they could create vast areas where food is processed and given to eat on the spot to hungry people, that wouldn't allow hamas to steal anything of substance.
FYI, the allies did feed the Germans they occupied.
Even the Germans fed (most) of the people they occupied.
Even during the Middle Ages, hell, literally biblical times, it was considered humane and moral to feed your enemies.
How is this even an argument.
According to Wikipedia somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 million Germans died of hunger/famine related diseases immediately after WWII. So obviously "feeding them" it wasn't a perfect system. And unlike Gaza, you can actually grow food in Germany because the climate is more amendable and it rains.
Palestinians are obviously getting food. If they weren't they would literally all be dead; this has been going on 5 months, and Gaza has no capacity to grow food, or more importantly there is little drinkable water. You can only live a couple weeks without food and 3 days without water. Again, I repeat we are in month 5 of the conflict. I read somewhere 10% of the German population died in WWII. So to hit this ratio another 170K Palestinians would need to die.
If you dig into the numbers, they dont support the argument that Israel is being inhumane relative to the Allies in WWII.
I care a hell of a lot lot more about children starving to death than Hamas and the leaders of Gaza do.
lol no
According to Wikipedia somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 million Germans died of hunger/famine related diseases immediately after WWII. So obviously "feeding them" it wasn't a perfect system. And unlike Gaza, you can actually grow food in Germany because the climate is more amendable and it rains.Palestinians are obviously getting food. If they weren't they would literally
I think that was mostly the russians though.
Btw yes ofc gaza is still getting food in, and ofc hamas supporters are vastly exaggerating the lack of food
I care a hell of a lot lot more about children starving to death than Hamas and the leaders of Gaza do.
Now you're just obfuscating. You don't give a **** about children starving because.... their parents didn't predict a war coming months ahead of time? Or you're just a misanthrope in general, idk I'm not a therapist.
Are you saying they are being negligent by having kids? Israel could treat them better than anyone else, and it doesn’t mean Israel is doing right. Morality is not relative. It’s binary. Something is either right or it’s wrong. Blah blah blah. More circular arguing without any substance Where should they go? Where can they go that takes refugees who have nothing? More suggestio
Duh. Of course they were negligent in having kids. If you live in a prison camp and your leaders constantly attack their only source of food, do you think it's a good idea to have children?
Lol, morality is binary. The only two countries in the world providing any food to Gaza are the US and Israel. So you decide it's the fault of the US and Israel that the Gazans are starving? What about every other country in the world who is doing the wrong thing by the Gazans? Why don't I see anyone complaining about them?
Lots of places take refugees who have nothing; the US is the primary historical example of taking more than anyone else. The Palestinians' so called allies, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, etc. could have been taking them in. Hell, Saudi Arabia and some of the small oil-rich countries actively seek people from other countries to come and work for them. If the Palestinian leaders had actually worked for the last 20 years (or longer) to find another place for them to live, they could have found places.
If I shot at my neighbor's house over and over again, and then he came over and beat my ass, I wouldn't expect the police to come rescue me.
Now you're just obfuscating. You don't give a **** about children starving because.... their parents didn't predict a war coming months ahead of time? Or you're just a misanthrope in general, idk I'm not a therapist.
So you really think the people of Gaza couldn't have predicted that a war would be happening, years ago? You sure don't give them much credit for intelligence, do you?
I didn't spend all my money on weapons instead of food for children I'm in charge of.
Duh. Of course they were negligent in having kids. If you live in a prison camp and your leaders constantly attack their only source of food, do you think it's a good idea to have children?Lol, morality is binary. The only two countries in the world providing any food to Gaza are the US and Israel. So you decide it's the fault of the US and Israel that the Gazans are starvi
US is WHAT?
just the refugees we took in europe from Ukraine are more than the refugees the USA took in the last 40 years
In northern italy from september 1943 to the end of the war we were under nazi occupation with a puppet italian government in Salò. We had less than 1k calories /day of rations "guaranteed" (still needed to pay for them, not given for free), and the nazis regularly stole farmers food in rural areas under various pretenses.The lack of food was so intense the main recruiting tool
no that is not the issue. the issue is that Israel and the USA are deliberately starving the population so the land can be stolen.
the ability and infrastructure and personnel to feed the population exists. most recently food was distributed a few days ago. Israel then took the opportunity to murder all of the civil security and police who helped in this and bombed the warehouses. the police force also raided the stockpiles of the local gangs who had been stealing aid and forced vendors to sell at reasonable prices.
neither did they.
US is WHAT?
just the refugees we took in europe from Ukraine are more than the refugees the USA took in the last 40 years
Europe isn't a single country. Which countries have taken more refugees than the US in the last 250 years?
So you don't think Hamas has any weapons?
Or I guess you're quibbling because they didn't spend "money" on the weapons, they were gifts.
"Hey Santa, I can't eat all these guns and rockets you keep sending me, how about you give me something edible for next Ramadan?"
I guess you don't think Hamas has taken any of the food aid that was meant for Gazan civilians either, huh? Because I sure haven't taken any.
I don't have extensive time right this moment to say all I wanted to, but I missed this when it happened
https://allisrael.com/netanyahu-reported...
The proposal would entail Israel presiding over the training of between 4,000 and 7,000 carefully selected Fatah operatives with no prior affiliations to terrorist activities.
It had been approved everywhere else it needed to be. The general wisdom is it's gotta be SOMEONE already regional/credible, and they were THE choice.
For perspective on why Fatah is a great choice
https://www.jns.org/amid-unity-push-fata...
Fatah accuses Hamas of ‘Nakba’ worse than Israel’s creation
This was very quietly passed over in most media recently. Ponder how much weight there is in that statement. if they can get Fatah support up to 50%, there is a path here.
Step 1: Bibi gotta go
no that is not the issue. the issue is that Israel and the USA are deliberately starving the population so the land can be stolen. the ability and infrastructure and personnel to feed the population exists. most recently food was distributed a few days ago. Israel then took the opportunity to murder all of the civil security and police who helped in this and bombed the ware
Oh sure, the only two countries giving any food to them is the ones who are deliberately starving them. What kind of f'ed up logic is that??
None of the other 200 or so countries in the world, including quite a few who say they are the allies of Palestinians, are providing any food to them. I would say it is those countries who are deliberately starving the population.
Israel already had the land, for a long time. They gave it back and left. They could have easily taken control of it at any time.
Duh. Of course they were negligent in having kids. If you live in a prison camp and your leaders constantly attack their only source of food, do you think it's a good idea to have children?Lol, morality is binary. The only two countries in the world providing any food to Gaza are the US and Israel. So you decide it's the fault of the US and Israel that the Gazans are starvi
The Gulf countries are directly providing aid (probably more than the US and Israel), and most of the First World is providing aid through the UN.
Interesting you brought this up, as this involves a history lesson on how the current Palestinian dysfunction is a choice. All the millions of refugees in the world, except Palestinians, are cared for under the umbrella of UNHCR, whose goal is to temporarily take care of refugees and eventually resettle and integrate them in a new place to live independent, functional lives.
I know people complain that you are too right wing, too racist, etc
But this post is SPOT ON correct
Nobody should argue with any of it
The allies fed the Germans after they had surrendered. If they also did it before then, that was a mistake IMO.The Germans occupied entire large countries that had farmland and their own food supply. But again, the countries Germany occupied had surrendered to Germany.As has been said many times, Hamas could stop the war any day of their choosing; all they have to do is
Here's another spot on post
Nobody feeds countries that are currently warring with
Oh sure, the only two countries giving any food to them is the ones who are deliberately starving them. What kind of f'ed up logic is that??None of the other 200 or so countries in the world, including quite a few who say they are the allies of Palestinians, are providing any food to them. I would say it is those countries who are deliberately starving the population.Israel a
yes Israel is starving them. this is apparent to everyone except you it seems.
many countries are providing food, but Israel does not let it in. there are 100s of trucks sitting at the Rafah crossing.
I don't have extensive time right this moment to say all I wanted to, but I missed this when it happenedhttps://allisrael.com/netanyahu-reported...
the resistance and the people of Palestine are never going to acquiesce to a bunch of Fatah capos ruling over them.
its really disgusting the things that you support.
So you really think the people of Gaza couldn't have predicted that a war would be happening, years ago? You sure don't give them much credit for intelligence, do you?
I think it's an atrocity when children starve to death, not sure why you have difficulty with this concept.
lol, the more Palestinians that get butchered, the more bloodthirsty this crowd gets. ****ing starve their kids, it's their fault for existing. Israel has that right.
Duh. Of course they were negligent in having kids. If you live in a prison camp and your leaders constantly attack their only source of food, do you think it's a good idea to have children?Lol, morality is binary. The only two countries in the world providing any food to Gaza are the US and Israel. So you decide it's the fault of the US and Israel that the Gazans are starvi
They are extremely negligent for purposely having way more kids than they can afford to help the Palestinian cause. They believe that they are still doing Arafat's work knowing that their 8 kids will live in poverty
