Regulated Market GGpoker.ca Blatantly allowing bot farm

Pretty sure you fail at a lot of things others take for granted

Movin.target writes this:

And then when someone points out his 10 points are not suspicious and indicative of these players being some form of rakeback grinder or prop writes this

So movin.target makes 80k a year in rakeback alone on one of the softest pools on earth, and then claims that 11 people that look like exactly like they are grinding the pool for rakeback simply cannot be doing that because they would need to make 80k for it to be worthwhile. So he's already doing exactly what he claims is proof of malfeasance.

This thread is 1) A troll 2) a low IQ misrepresentation of what's actually transpiring, or 3) a weak and malicious attempt to get these 11 accounts banned because movin.target doesn't like them.

Mods should close this thread.

Next time you post this you will be banned.

Alright, I'll share my opinion.

First, MoViN.tArGeT your feedback and opinion it's highly appreciated, secondly the mods for allowing this thread to gain some attention, where everyone can form their opinion. Now, as a someone like you who lives in Ontario and plays online poker for a living, this is what I have to say.

It's at sole discretion of the operator (poker provider) to ensure they attract as many within Ontario on their client, and that being said if you believe this "group" of whatever they are is costing you a certain amount of profit playing against them, then your option is to not play against them, or overall not play on the client, and do it elsewhere. I'm sure by now you've reached support, and that's the most you can do. Personally, yes I agree with you on certain things, because I saw a recent example of how a bad beat jackpot they won. Short story, the hand in place was "soft played" amongst themselves, so in the process they pay the minimum rake, while maximize their odds to take advantage of this promotion, and in the process win the money that's contributed from rest of the players that aren't "soft playing" amongst themselves.

In the end whatever they're doing they're also paying rake, and that includes BBJ rake, even if it's minimal, because from what I've seen they're all extremely nitty, and that's also part of "soft playing", and not reaching the 30BB to pay the same BBJ rake normally others do, but in the end as you've noticed they're not taking advantage of the leaderboard promotion, but still winning decent money from it.

The players or "consumers" always dictate and decide where they participate/play, and thankfully because of that online poker will never be consistently in a bad place. As long as there's money involved it will be in everyone's interest to deliver the best or "better" service compared to their competition, and that is why even if one country may not provide a good poker service for its citizens, they still have the option to move elsewhere. If mods eventually choose to close this thread it will be because it's already gotten the attention you wanted, where it's been consistently bumped, discussed, and overall visible to the community for quite a while. The topic was discussed, argued, debated, etc. and most already formed their opinions on this matter (or I hope).

Finally, because Ontario is a regulated market that GG went to great lengths to obtain and maintain its license, if necessary I trust they would vet these individuals through whatever security they have in place, so there won't come a point where they are at risk of losing their license over this matter.

but did 11 clones of you do all of these at the same time? thats what your brain is missing. its not one person doing weird things. its all of them at the same time. every day. for a year.

One person doing all of these things is weird and a "rakeback grinder" 11 people doing this is a mathematical anomaly that can only be explained with nefarious intentions.

As someone who beats the site and min maxes rb I can compare what I do with what they do. And what they do not makes a lot of sense for a winning full time player let alone a stable of them. They make collective non human decisions . You said they are "rakeback grinders" but on gg you must know what the lb is. They will stop 10 points from winning the lb everyday. And its not just one of them. ITs 11. The lb is worth like 50% rakeback a day if you min max it. They do not do this they punt it away. I beat them by 2 points everyday which probably makes their rakeback go down like 10-20%. Thats just one example their is countless.

Hronmeer i think your giving a newly formed small government office too much credit. Maybe in the future they will be good but I imagine they currently are awful and we still have to do the police work

Well if you believe people like Kooky these guys couldn't possibly be making 80k a year because they are so bad (we think they lose at 4-7bb/100 at nl200 .
When I was talking about 80k a year I was referring to your 2010 small brain thinking of what you think a rakeback grinder is is not these players. a rakeback grinder is not even a real thing/term every site has an effective rake and you use the rakeback to decrease the rake.

Playing for rakeback is only a way a fish looks at it. On ggpoker.ca no one beats rake so by your definition 100% of the players are rakeback grinders

heres matt roberts year graph tldr he made 130k (-39 total +163k rakeback)

Now the funny thing about matt roberts is he is the last thing I think about when I think of a rakeback grinder. He is a low volumn high stakes player and has a full time job. I have done his volume in two months. This guy goes for quality over quantity.

My point here is to just explain how stupid your point of playing only for rakeback is

This will be my last post here. A rakeback grinder is definitely a real thing and has been since sites started offering rakeback 15 years ago. You can be a losing player and still make money after rakeback, and some people choose to use this strategy and tread water. It has happened on basically every site since online poker began. As limon and others have mentioned, props are a real thing too and you just brushed that one out of the possibility bowl without even offering anything but your increased certainty as an argument.

Your posts are full of contradictions, and sorely lacking in anything but pure speculation, some of which contains internally inconsistent logic. You say no one grinds for rakeback because they'd have to make 60-80k a year to pay bills in Canada, then you say you yourself make 80k in rakeback alone. You say these aren't bots, but then claim they are inhuman. You say they are colluding with each other, but then say they're all huge losing players that can't be breakeven or slightly losing regs. You say they are colluding on BBJ, but then wave away the fact that with their volume, they're most likely down on BBJ rake compared to BBJs they've won. Then you say no one on the site beats rake, right after you say you and your booger flicking friends beat the site.

Now if you genuinely want to convince a smart person that something shady is going on, I'll suggest a couple things:

1) Offer strong arguments without internally inconsistent logic and contradictions
2) Offer actual evidence instead of just hearsay to back up those arguments.
3) When someone gives you an alternative as to why your conjecture on a topic might be wrong because there are more probable explanations, don't double down, ignore it, or increase your level of certainty. Instead, carefully consider they might be right, and attempt to disprove their counterargument using 1 and 2.

The original name of the thread was Regulated Market GGpoker.ca Blatantly allowing prop players. it was changed 3 days ago after you started posting here once again proving you don't read the information. Prop players are illegal in Canadian casinos and should be illegal on regulated Canadian sites I don't care how they do it at limons US mafia games that's not how its done here.

They are almost certainly prop players and that alone is a scandal but Americans cant understand that so I asked the name of the thread to be changed.

Here is the kicker they can both be prop players and bots at a call center. People have called them "not bots" because they have operators. It might be one operator between 11 accounts but there is a human playing some hands. They will sometimes play me hu and fold 30 straight hands. and other days play decent

I never said no one grinds for Rakeback. I said what you think of a Rakeback grinder does not exist which is someone who wins very small and not very good relative to the pool. That is not me saying no one grinds for 60k because clearly I also stated I do.

Ultimately I never claimed to know everything. I am not contradictory since I don't have a definite answer. If you read the thread you would know there are competing theory's.

The proof is in the discrepancies not the motive and results.

"You say they are colluding on BBJ, but then wave away the fact that with their volume, they're most likely down on BBJ rake compared to BBJs they've won. Then you say no one on the site beats rake, right after you say you and your booger flicking friends beat the site."

This is probably the worst comment you made in the entire thread. I have explained in great detail how they win the jackpot above expected value. if you pay 2bb/100 into the jackpot and your ev is 4bb/100 you are getting more back from the jackpot then you put in. No one beats the rake the top 40 regs have all admitted it. the rake is insane. but we all play there still so ill let you figure that one out. I guess the top 40 players in Ontario are all bad rakeback players.

Update.

Pretty much right after I made this post they started deviating from their aligned schedules that they all did for the first 9+ month. So I would like to say the fact this thread or the entire Ontario reg community pming gg about it did something but we may never know the answer of what happened here because it is likely hidden behind gg and Ontario bureaucracy.

I am happy to report as of a month and a bit ago at the same time their volume all at once came to a crawl where at most they were only putting up 1000 leaderboard points. (before they would be from 3-7k lb points in a day everyday) We barely ever play against them anymore and the games are once again legit

Now the fact they all reduced volume at the same time when we contacted the Ontario regulators is just another obvious sign that they were all working together.

We finally contacted the Ontario regulators about this through a known Ontario twitch streamer at about the same time their volume dropped . We have heard enough of my ideas in this thread so ill just post from are discord behind the scenes his theory. fyi are discord of Ontario regs called them "nitgate"

Funny enough GG poker is now lobbying The Ontario government to move Ontario poker back to the global pool which would be awful for people from Ontario so that's probably the next fight. If this situation proves anything its that the only defense against these scummy bot/vpning allowing sites/corporations is sadly Goverment intervention

I think people playing in the row should learn a bit from this and encourage regulated poker because these shady sites that might be running their own bot/prop player rings aint it. I truly believe regulated poker is the only hope for the future of online poker

zero of the 11 accounts have been on since my last post. In fact they all went cold turkey on the site at the same time reinforcing the theory they were either a prop player ring or working together for nefarious reasons.

Once again the chances of 11 regular accounts all quitting at once after playing the same schedule for a year is impossible to be a coincidence.

Funny enough the likely reason for them quitting is a lot of euros have started remote playing in and possibly making them unprofitable. (ring fenced site where you need to be in Ontario to play)

Hopefully GG has nothing to do with this but that's a fight for another day. (these new sus accounts only play on gg.ca and not pokerstars.ca or partypoker.ca)

What can you really do if you know people are paying locals to help them vpn in or play from their local work stations? It makes a lot of sense they would do this since Ontario games are the softest in the world. We know this is happening because too many unknown accounts have started mass tabling the higher stakes. Its a small community and pretty much every winning regular is a known person and has acquaintances and discord contacts. Infact every highstakes player in Ontario is in the same discord to moderate and warn others of suspicious accounts. So when several new accounts show up every week with no name attached it is quite obvious they are moving or playing from out of the ring fence.

Nevermind the cash games and the losers colluding for 12 hours a day playing like nit losers.... lets talk about the obviously boosted accounts on certain players in Tournaments...

J Silverstein, Giuseppe L, Tatohavi etc....... these supposed "crushers" up hundreds of thousands who play like basic nit 18 vpip average players and yet somehow get gifted non stop for big stacks.

100% rigged scam site favoring certain accounts... im Lil Larusso im sure ive played with some of you... this site is a ****** joke.... im sick of it had to make an account.

GG Ontario is 100% rigged... i have an average of 50 vpip over 2000 tournaments and im up 19k... none of you could be up playing 50 vpip average over 2000 tournaments.... i must have the most rigged account on the site.... i somehow get less hands playing 50 vpip then these fake people do playing 18 vpip

These supposed tourney "crushers" are literally basic average nits with super boosted accounts.... J Silverstein especially was a huggeee bot..... ive never seen someone late reg last minute and run up 1st place stacks so often.. incredibly rigged.

Tato, julian perouse all the supposed good players are basic at best haha

I've run into some of these names in MTT's and had similar thoughts as you. Don't believe that they're "boomswitched" or "rigged", but a lot of these regulars are DEFINITELY colluding. Have seen LOTS of chip dumping between the regulars for example. I try to report suspect hands/players as soon as i witness them, with the fairplay feature, and a lot of the time I'm moved to another table shortly thereafter. Coincidence? Seems more like cover for scummy behavior by GG.

I can understand how people wouldnt believe in "boosted" accounts but their is really no other explanation for what im seeing. These guys play like nits and never ever bluff and somehow run up big stacks consistently meanwhile i can play 50 vpip and never make a single winning hand, bluff myself to a 2.5/3X stack and then just get kings into aces.

Yes they are also colluding and soft playing each other but they also have boosted accounts.

Egption and J silverstein had the most boosted/rigged accounts... egption was honestly a fish, like not even an average player, hes a fish who punts often and he was a top3 most profitable palyer on the site..that alone is proof GG is a scam

One of my stats alone is proof GG is a scam..... is it only me where you lose 95% of your stack to a bad beat all in and then when you are down to like 1bb you shove any 2 and you somehow get miraculous luck? The only times i ever get lucky is the hand right after you get fcked for 95% of your stack and then you shove jack 6 with 1 bb because you only have 1 bb and then suddenly you hit 2 pair and wina 3 way all in hahahahahh. Its every single time.... so your stats will say you got unlucky once and then lucky once so its even but the thing is you only ever get luck after you just lost your whole stack and then you triple up from 1 bb to 3bb and then yiu just lose the next flip eevrytime so your luck is always pointless... they only give you that luucky all in with no chips so they can manipulate your stats to say its fair but they are so obvious in how they do it, i cant be the only one this happens too

First you complain if they are nits and only play good hands but then you contradict yourself and complain that Egyption wins by not being a nit.

Just be grateful that your account is super boosted as well winning 19k with 50% vpip

Journeyman haha another average nit who thinks hes good.. classic

Egption is a nit ( never bluffs) but then also punts haha... so ya hes a bit worse than the 17 vpip regnits

Egptions strategy was to late reg last minute and rely on GG to baby him and they always did hahaha

By punting i mean he would shove 10 9 offsuit 20 bb blind on blind in a non bounty lol... hes not punting through bluffs he was just shoving stupid hands and somehow sucking out 90% of the time haha

Im winning 31% of 45-55% (which i consider flips) all in situations and playing 50 vpip through 2300 tournaments and still up 20k lol.. Not only do i not have a boosted account like you journeyman but i have a doomswitched account

After i called out all the obvious boosted accounts GG has decided to hate me and will not stop cheating my account

They banned me from chat, havent responded to a email in over a year.... As soon as they banned me from chat after i exposed their site and how it works through emails and then withdrew 90% of my bankroll for life purposes...... i have been running impossibly bad since.

Thats why i am so angry... a little run bad sure but they are blatantly cheating me

if they blatantly cheat you... maybe stop playing there?