Heads up live PLO, flop top boat/block quads. Turn brings a p bigger boat and we get raised
Heads up live with AJJ5ds. Heads up doing btn straddle $10 he's on btn.
I pot $30, he re pots $90, I call.
Flop ($180) J55 2 diamonds (I have no diamonds)
I check, he checks
Turn ($180) Qx
I bet $120, he pots to $540, hero?
He will have $1300ish behind if we call, and we cover.
With me having a 5 in my hand as well I know he doesn't have quads so honestly with it being heads up I wonder if I just GII here or call then donk river. I felt I blocked a ton of hands he might do it with like Q5XX or J5XX that I'm ahead of but something just doesn't feel right. Figure no point in 3betting him on the turn incase he turned a wrap+fd or something that maybe he was just trying to semibluff with but tbh idk if he does that. If so I don't want him to fold. I also don't see him raising AAXX on the turn. And he probably bets AA5X on the flop.
I feel anything he's possibly semibluffing with he folds if we jam and he calls his full houses but how many can he have as the pre flop 3 bettor besides QQXX at this point. We even have an ace in our hand. There's just not a ton of value hands that he does this with that he should have here imo.
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Heads up live with AJJ5ds. Heads up doing btn straddle $10 he's on btn.I pot $30, he re pots $90, I call.Flop ($180) J55 2 diamonds (I have no diamonds)I check, he checksTurn ($180) QxI bet $120, he pots to $540, hero?He will have $1300ish behind if we call, and we cover.With me having a 5 in my hand as well I know he doesn't have quads so honestly with it being heads up I wond
Please do that, especially the second part. If you are a streamer, you could also take a picture of your hand and send him a message. But he wouldnt need to see the picture, tbh.
So variations to this spot actually come up somewhat frequently and we all find ourselves auto betting and facing the raise too often.
The problem is that although we flopped the nuts, with the over card on the turn it’s actually not super easy to get two streets of value.
Combined with the fact that we run into the QQ sometimes which we pay heavily against.
Put those two together and we should mix heavily on the turn, probably with the A checking more than betting and also sizing down when we bet.
Player tendencies are also important here to help us choose the line.
The bottom line is consider checking and sizing down. Betting and calling whatever raise and bets afterwards is spewy as a 100% default play and should be done for the right reasons.
So variations to this spot actually come up somewhat frequently and we all find ourselves auto betting and facing the raise too often.The problem is that although we flopped the nuts, with the over card on the turn it’s actually not super easy to get two streets of value. Combined with the fact that we run into the QQ sometimes which we pay heavily against.Put those two togethe
Even heads up? Honestly I'm not super familiar with heads up play, but I figured he could still peel certain hands on the turn and JJ is insanely strong for heads up, even full ring. So a bet seems fine but if we check are we looking to x/c or x/r? I feel like we should be betting way more often than checking, but I can see why a smaller bet could make more sense. There really shouldn't be too many hands he can call on the turn after flop checks through.
Even heads up? Honestly I'm not super familiar with heads up play, but I figured he could still peel certain hands on the turn and JJ is insanely strong for heads up, even full ring. So a bet seems fine but if we check are we looking to x/c or x/r? I feel like we should be betting way more often than checking, but I can see why a smaller bet could make more sense. There really
I wrote a bunch of stuff but then I ran the hand through FlopHero again and got a completely different response. So maybe I misread it the first time or input it wrong.
FlopHero actually wants you to pot the turn with your hand, and thinks villain should never be raising, but when he does you should call and check call river.
I was more clear about the hand 5 minutes ago then I am now.
So yeah with your hand, what’s the best line for value, it depends almost completely on player profile. Not that many players raise the turn and bomb the river as a bluff so flatting could indeed miss too much value.
Flatting and donking the river allows him to realise whatever semi bluffing equity he had. The problem with this line is that it look very value-ish to a decent player.
Any reads at all? What do you think his range is? It seems that large a raise is quite polar. Q5/QQ or bluffs.
So yeah with your hand, what’s the best line for value, it depends almost completely on player profile. Not that many players raise the turn and bomb the river as a bluff so flatting could indeed miss too much value.Flatting and donking the river allows him to realise whatever semi bluffing equity he had. The problem with this line is that it look very value-ish to a decent pla
I think a delayed J5 needs to be included in this range. Is A5 plausible? I feel like A5, K5 are in some players ranges - especially HU.
Yeah its possible a recreational would do that, check it back on the flop and rip it over a turn bet. I guess such combos would on average outweigh the times he bluffs + follows up, this line is not bluffed much at all usually, so I think rejam could be the line.
I do not play heads up much, but i imagine the hand ranges are wide open?
He could have J5, Q5, JQ, KK, AA.. they all seem reasonable, but they all seem likely to fold to a 3 bet.
IMO just get into check-call mode and hope he value-owns himself with a marginal hand.
What's this player like? I'm calling. Seems as if gii just lets him fold worse. It would be really hard for him to call w/ worse than JJ on this turn.
To get the most, maybe just call and lead river or check/call river if he will bluff at this board or bet w/ A5, Q5, J5.
I might actually bet the flop about half pot, too, depending on how we have both been playing.
Most likely.imo with the pot size as and check on flop I think a good amount of the time he could be making a play. I would just call and let him make a play at the river don't be afraid of qq if he has qq just chalk it up to the game and move on.
So yeah with your hand, what’s the best line for value, it depends almost completely on player profile. Not that many players raise the turn and bomb the river as a bluff so flatting could indeed miss too much value.Flatting and donking the river allows him to realise whatever semi bluffing equity he had. The problem with this line is that it look very value-ish to a decent pla
You suggested checking or betting smaller on the turn in your original post. Even if solver disagrees, it is a much more valid approach in exploitable live games.
I'm not sure if villain's range is polar or semi-polar; given the texture I think many villains can overplay aa,kk, and qx hands.
How much are we Donking this Flop? How much wider is our range when doing so? While JJ is nutted, don't we want to stab/build a pot for our 5x holdings too that we want to protect/charge before the Turn comes out?
What holdings are paying us off here when HU? Don't we want to encourage 5x/stubborn holdings to show themselves on the Flop so we can decide what to do on wet and dry Turns?
I agree that we shouldn't be leading Turn and then folding out very often AP. If we lean towards fold, then we need to check/call all over cards so we can stay in the hand and evaluate River action.
Having both an Ace and 5 in our holding really stinks and should also perhaps lead us to check/call Turn more often since we block so much. Keeping the pot under control allows us to both incentivize V to bet River and let's us call off more cheaply.
IMO V could have both AA/KK with Q5 and QQxx rundowns .. or really any Q5xx Broadway rundown.
Quite possibly wishful thinking .. it really sucks to get coolered like this HU if that is what happened.
I think by Donking the Flop we are 'more comfortable' calling of/flatting heavy Turn action since we can add a lot more 5x holdings to V continuing range .. but at the price that overpairs will probably fold out.
Depending on your opponent type this can be like AA in NL .. win a small one or lose a big one when you end up with this much action on Turn/River. GL
Why would you call the turn raise and donk river? You’re either trapping to induce bluffs and thin value or you’re not.
I call and check call river.
