2-3 deep 3-bet pot: Flopped NFD gets shove over c-bet

Preflop you should 3-bet bigger. OOP facing a raise to $18 and three callers you should probably make it close to $150.

As played I'm trying to follow all the action because you didn't post pot sizes. If I follow correctly the pot is about $265, then you bet $105 and got jammed on for about $715 total. So you have to call about 600 (or $610) to win a total pot that would be $1695.

So you need to be good about 36% of the time to break even. Against trips you'll only win about 25%. Against a full house you're almost drawing dead. Against worse draws you're in great shape.

I think against most players they're just going to have trips or better most of the time, so I would likely fold.

The exception would be if the player who went all in is the type to bluff all in with a flush draw, or go all in with an overpair like 99, TT or JJ. In that case it could turn into a call, but against most players it's a fold.

Bet smaller on the flop. $65 accomplishes the same thing as $105 does.

Call obviously

Ok, I'd 3bet bigger to like 110-125 here.
Once we see this flop in a 3bet, I don't think we ever going anywhere.
Cbet sizing is a bit big.

You guys saw that it's a paired board right? Our flush outs aren't always clean, and pairing an ace or king still doesn't beat an 8. I think it's a fold at 2/3 where they mainly just have it when they go all in.

bigger pre. check the flop and evaluate. betting doesn't accomplish much. guessing the most EV play is to CR flop small and then jam turns you whiff. if you hit clubs on the turn, an ace, or a king, bet turn smaller to rope a dope.

Bigger preflop. Check flop.

I would call shove. You are getting about 2.5-1. You are 3-1 against trips and drawing dead against a boat. However, you are about even against a pair and a huge favorite against a flush draw. So without other reads, I would call.

Which players called (position, previous actions) and which player shoved the flop?

It's important to know who's who bc the original raiser, the first and 2nd callers will all have different ranges. A better description brings better discussion...

Agree with going bigger pre. The "pot" is $90 with a raise, 3 callers and your call. So a solid raise, esp with a premium, ideally would be at least $110.

It also makes the decision on the flop here a lot easier, and we would clearly want to get it in. It gives us better pot odds with the lowered SPR, and a bigger raise pre makes it much less likely for our opponents to have 8x or 44.

Wait, are you early position or late? $18 raise and three callers, then you? Then you lead out?

Think it is unlikely someone is shoving a boat here. 44 has to be a little worried about higher boats, but generally can let the pot build and let someone hit a flush or a high pair,

Grunch:

PRE - gotta go bigger. At least $125, and I'd probably make it $135-$140.

FLOP - mostly just checking first to act and multi-way on a somewhat dynamic board.

As played, I think there's like $250-$300 in the pot getting to the flop, and your fairly chunky c-bet just got raised 6x on a paired board.

I mean... maybe he lost his mind and is doing this with some sort of combo draw, but I think this is trips, almost always, and we'll have to make our flush if we call, without the board pairing or pairing his kicker.

I'd never get here this way. I think we should punish him by making a disrespectful fold. Don't show, just muck, and don't tell anyone. Say you had an over-pair if asked.