[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
blah blah blah
There go the goalposts all over the damn country.
The claim was:
[x] High rise/skyscraper
[x] Steel framed building
[x] Collapsed due to fire
All the proof of each was posted in this post:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
And now you're lying about it not being steel-framed and engaging in the no true scotsman fallacy left and right. You're embarrassing yourself. Again.
Now, back to that molten steel claim and all the questions about that. You're up. Still.
A fun game might be trying to predict where the goalposts will move to this time.Top candidates are:1) doubling down on his arbitrary not a skyscraper unless 50 stories nonsense2) Wikipedia is not a source3) I said steel not steel reinforced concrete (big LOL at that one but I still day strong chance on this one)4) Something racist or classist about Brazilians or poor people in
The correct answer was 1, 3, AND 4 for those keeping track.
Don't know how I didn't see the No True Scotsman fallacy coming (it didn't have the exact same contents, exact same fire dispersion, and exact same collapse pattern so it doesn't count), but that should've been obvious. I guess I have trouble imaging ever feeling that type of desperation to grasp at a straw.
Of course the irony is he's claiming it doesn't count since it was concrete instead of steel (it wasn't) and concrete performs much better in a fire than steel (see Windsor Tower for very stark example).
Current scoring:
Gorgo 45
Deuces 0
Deuces has 05 yards rushing, -67 yards passing with three turnovers.
I particularly enjoyed his claim that WTC 1 and 2 were still up to fire code even after a plane crashed into them. I'm sure he has access to a quick inspection someone did after the impacts and determined everything was still fine. Certainly all that fireproofing that flakes off easily was still in place. Certainly there wasn't jet fuel streaking down the elevator shafts. I'm sure it was quite up to US fire code.
Which is obviously superior to anything those savages in Sao Paulo could have come up with.
That group is quite the brain trust.
No. Between you, Deuces, and flat earth boy, I think you guys are more than qualified to figure it all out for yourselves.
Ive never been wrong opposing the genocidal Empire. you however have never found a mass murder campaign by the Anglo-Ameri-Israeli Empire that you didnt support and celebrate.
people should not forget that at the height of the recent mass slaughter campaign in Gaza you said that you "fully supported Israel bc you are Jewish."
Ive never been wrong opposing the genocidal Empire. you however have never found a mass murder campaign by the Anglo-Ameri-Israeli Empire that you didnt support and celebrate.
people should not forget that at the height of the recent mass slaughter campaign in Gaza you said that you "fully supported Israel bc you are Jewish."
You've never been wrong at all, remember? In fact, you broke the forum by being perpetually right about everything. A bit like Deuces, actually.
And I'm sure nobody has forgotten that you are a tankie Stalin loving dumbass.
no I was wrong for many years siding with the Dems. I was wrong when I used to think Stalin was bad. I was unreal wrong when I thought that Israelis werent mostly genocidal maniacs.
but the difference between me and most people is that I am able to learn and change my positions. you however, will always support mass slaughter due to your Supremacist nature.
Hey Deuces, it's weird how you conspiracy guys were totally right all along and yet you didn't tell us about Epstein until after everyone else knew. Why did you sit on this info for years!
Sit on what information? Every conspiracy guy was saying Epstein was going to be killed in prison in the days leading up to his death. The conspiracists were all saying he was a spy or intelligence agent for Israel. That should be obviously true by now. I have to admit, I had zero clue Maxwell was in 4chan seeding the alt right movement that seemed to come out of nowhere. Her involvement there and on reddit is kinda mind blowing. I didn't see the extent to which Fuentes was their psy-op. I told you that the Zionists were promoting him as the face of anti-Zionism, but I had no idea how deep it went. You called me anti-semitic for saying that. I think you should read some summaries of the Epstein files and reevaluate.
Trolly do you still think Epstein killed himself? This is like the reverse of a question you might ask an insane person to get them to reveal themselves. You're such a good little learner, a good little programmable object, that you can't admit the obvious, that Epstein was killed. Or can you?
Still desperately trying to pivot to epstein in the 911 thread rather than provide evidence or answer questions.
I wonder why.
I have to admit, I had zero clue Maxwell was in 4chan seeding the alt right movement that seemed to come out of nowhere. Her involvement there and on reddit is kinda mind blowing. I didn't see the extent to which Fuentes was their psy-op.
Yeah weird how you conspiracy dipshits missed the actual billionaire pedophile conspiracy that reached into politics and the media. Shouldn't we have learned all the Epstein stuff from you guys instead of CNN? Imagine wasting 25 years of your life blathering about rivers of molten steel and somehow getting blindsided by this.
Trolly do you still think Epstein killed himself? This is like the reverse of a question you might ask an insane person to get them to reveal themselves. You're such a good little learner, a good little programmable object, that you can't admit the obvious, that Epstein was killed. Or can you?
You tell me, you silly bitch.
Yeah weird how you conspiracy dipshits missed the actual billionaire pedophile conspiracy that reached into politics and the media. Shouldn't we have learned all the Epstein stuff from you guys instead of CNN Imagine wasting 25 years of your life blathering about rivers of molten steel and somehow getting blindsided by this.
In case you didn't know, the connection between elites and pedophilia is a dominant theme of those who focus on parapolitics. I think what happened to you is every time you saw mention of it you dismissed it as insane. I personally haven't commented on the pedophilia aspect too much here, but I have been on a crusade against the psychopathy of elites and other aspects of their personalities. I've been trying for a long time to get people to see what sort of people they are, not by talking about their pedophilia, which is obvious, but which would put me in the conspiracy nut category. Instead I've tried to pose questions asking what a normal person would do with all that money or what a good person would do in order to expose them. But there were many conspiracy theorists going on about pedophilia which was pretty obvious but not actually so confirmable until now. In discussions here about pizzagate this was my message, yeah pizzagate is fake but elites do bond over serious crimes. This goes back to England and back in history across Europe. In fact I'm learning it is a cross cultural phenomenon.
Trolly you are supposed to be a troll. It's in your name. Trolls don't get mad. Don't break character now just because your whole worldview is shown as unsustainable. Never break character.
I asked you a simple question and your reaction shows you can't form an opinion because you don't know where the authority lies at the moment. The authority of those who tell you what to think is in question, and because you base your views on that authority (which is a fallacious way of thinking that leads you to believe the top of a skyscraper can crush through the remainder) instead of thinking for yourself you literally do not know what to think. Pathetic.
In our view the ability to design skyscrapers and analyze the mechanism of their collapse after being hit with airplanes takes specialized training. You said the NIST report is trivially wrong at a high school level but can't explain it. When an actual HS level mistake was made by a truther it was super easy to show and nobody had any doubts. Because you are unable to do tha
I don't see why you think it is ok to hold me accountable for something someone else stated, furthermore that if I ignored it that is somehow proof that I was incapable of see the error in it. It's unspoken, but isn't one of the basic premises here that posters, or debaters or discussion participants anywhere, are held account for only what they say? You talk about burden shifting...look in the mirror.
You sheeple are getting very persnickety on the question of what the official story is and who said what. Deep down you know you're wrong and you instinctually go for technicalities. Whenever I try to start at the bottom, I cannot get a straight answer on anything from those so loyally devoted to our pdf masters.
Can we start with the fact that there is no detailed collapse mechanism presented in any of the documents authored by government regarding the collapse of, specifically, the twin towers? There are labels which have been given, such as "pancake", "progressive collapse", "natural collapse", etc. But can we agree that the government has no given the play-by-play of how this actually went down? "collapse ensued" is not a mechanism, in case you were going to ask.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/physic...
the science that deals with matter, energy, motion, and force.
I don't see why you think it is ok to hold me accountable for something someone else stated, furthermore that if I ignored it that is somehow proof that I was incapable of see the error in it. It's unspoken, but isn't one of the basic premises here that posters, or debaters or discussion participants anywhere, are held account for only what they say? You talk about burden shift
I think it's relevant that you think the NIST report has HS level physics mistakes, but didn't comment on the one high school level mistake actually made itt. Especially when you haven't actually been brave enough to mention any actual physics.
Deep down you know you're wrong and you instinctually go for technicalities. Whenever I try to start at the bottom, I cannot get a straight answer on anything from those so loyally devoted to our pdf masters.
That's what you have to believe. But the mere fact that you've (wisely) avoided engaging on the very high school physics you claimed is central to your claim indicates that even you on some level get that you lack the ability and skills to follow the issues even at an educated non specialist level.
I don't see why you think it is ok to hold me accountable for something someone else stated, furthermore that if I ignored it that is somehow proof that I was incapable of see the error in it. It's unspoken, but isn't one of the basic premises here that posters, or debaters or discussion participants anywhere, are held account for only what they say? You talk about burden shift
Why do you specify that it must be authored by "the government" exactly? This video explains the collapse in a lot of detail with animations, for instance. It's consistent with what the governement described (it's not perfect, but it's good enough for our purposes).
So, no, we can't seem to agree on even the most basic claims of fact. You are just wrong, as you have been every step of the way.